http://desicritics.org/ Superior South Asian bloggers on Culture, Media, Politics, Sport, Business, and Technology. en Copyright 2006 by the authors Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:02:18 EST http://backend.userland.com/rss BC custom software http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-376565 Yawn!! Why react to such a lousy article???? These evangelists will never learn! They have driven away Christ from the Church long ago!!! For details read: Why I am not a Christian - by Bertrand Russel. I celebrate Christmas Eve though. Jesus is in my heart! not in the Evangelist's bag...!! 376565@desicritics.org Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:02:18 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-376564 Yawn!! Why react to such a lousy article???? These evangelists will never learn! They have driven away Christ from the Church long ago!!! 376564@desicritics.org Mon, 16 Nov 2009 05:00:53 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-376548 Isn't it already happenin my dear. 376548@desicritics.org Sun, 15 Nov 2009 07:22:49 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-376542 [Hate speech deleted] 376542@desicritics.org Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:35:27 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-376541 Dont worry christians , we will rape your women , hunt your people like bunch of dogs and bring your churches down. Be ready for the brutality. 376541@desicritics.org Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:35:26 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345877 Abhay Ding Dong:"All religions are just as bad. Christianity is actually AWFUL " Religions are not aweful, but fighting in the name of them is !! esp by literate people like you and me? The way we educated people fight we justify the action of RSS, Bajrang Dal and Shiv sena !!!!! 345877@desicritics.org Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:52:20 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345875 Abhay Dang (or sting in Hindi): ""All religions are just as bad. Christianity is actually AWFUL."" as in orwell's "all people are equal; some are more equal"" a stinging formulation for sure. talk of "dang". not to mention dung in plain english 345875@desicritics.org Tue, 25 Nov 2008 22:07:34 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345849 All religions are just as bad. Christianity is actually AWFUL. They are responsible for colonialism, and continued imperialism. They have wiped off original cultures of America and Australia. In fact the pope had upheld the legal validity of slavery as per cannon law. Disgusting!! 345849@desicritics.org Tue, 25 Nov 2008 11:07:48 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345638 what has that got to do with anything ? anyway just so that you know,i am always smartly turned out and first in line when its voting time,i have even got goonda elements kicked out when they tried breaking the line 345638@desicritics.org Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:13:31 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345613 simplicity: ""If possible VOTE in the nexe election for the first time rather than bitching like this."' good, simple suggestion! 345613@desicritics.org Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:36:09 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345611 Kela and Chandra it will be nice if both of you control your temper and especially mind your words. Personal attacks are not allowed. Both of you are not goind to achieve nothing. If possible VOTE in the nexe election for the first time rather than bitching like this. 345611@desicritics.org Thu, 20 Nov 2008 09:24:28 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345594 amrood?? 345594@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Nov 2008 20:44:30 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345593 Kela Kela in your... 345593@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:50:28 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345569 Chandra that gives me an idea ,i should start my own religion,you can be my first disciple ;) 345569@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:21:43 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345566 Kela Kela!!! 345566@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:00:40 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345565 Brilliant,you're a brave christian soldier... Chandra I'm sick of your veiled threats,this is fucking democracy,we have a right to preach and stuff and dont be too smug abt Orissa,the hindutvadis didn't dare attack villages where christians had stocked and armed themselves with guns and bombs....like i've always maintained ,we need soemthing like the 2nd ammendent of USA..we all should have a right to bear arms 345565@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:55:27 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345564 Hi Jerry, Well done mate. Just the right time to post something like this and set the ball rolling. Some one threatened you in e-mail and you are not scared??? post your address and telephone number and see what happens????? What do you want to prove set fire among the religions and die in that fire along with others and tell Jesus, I died for YOU???? See some Good Psychiatrist Where is our Sardar Gill, he will have a good time with this guy! 345564@desicritics.org Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:54:22 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345548 snowman: "Any fool can convince himself that he is a superhero going to heaven. Just because your mind is brainwashed in a cult won't make it true."" why? 345548@desicritics.org Tue, 18 Nov 2008 20:50:28 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345500 CS "it's always good to wish for a better world, even if those wishes remain unfulfilled. beats wishing for a worse world ie. communalism, racism, sexism, homophobia, murderous nationalism, runaway capitalism, so-called "free markets" etc. etc." Western liberalism and western conservatism are Jackal & Hyde, good-cop-bad-cop, siamese twins, tag-team, two sides of the same coin, inseparable and locked to each other - once you have one ism, the other one comes with it. Both are part of the same package. You can't have one and not the other - they can not survive without each other. It can not create a better world - merely offer a pipe dream, a utopia. It seeks to engulf the world in its hellish duality. Peddling liberation and posing as a savior becomes a full time political theology - but its Nova can never be big enough to save all from drowning. Who pays for its sins? Rest of the world has to pay for its sins. 345500@desicritics.org Mon, 17 Nov 2008 22:26:59 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345499 artist: ""Once upon a time, I used to quote this line from "The English Patient" liberally - "I wish to belong to a world where there are no maps". Now after many years on mother earth, I am not so sure..."" artist, i agree. if wishes were horses, maps would fly! however, it's always good to wish for a better world, even if those wishes remain unfulfilled. beats wishing for a worse world ie. communalism, racism, sexism, homophobia, murderous nationalism, runaway capitalism, so-called "free markets" etc. etc. 345499@desicritics.org Mon, 17 Nov 2008 21:45:03 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345497 CS "change is permanent and there is fish-all anyone can do about it, except to gently nudge it in the right direction ie. not right-wing, but in the direction of compassion, on-setarianism, non-racism, non-sexism, non-homophobia, non-dog-eat-dog world. no easy task for sure, but better than encouraging and thriving on non-compassion, sectarianism, communalism, racism, sexism, homophobia etc. etc" That is liberalism(western-left), a highly partisan Western political creed that is vehemently opposed by western conservatism(western right). Political process(change) in the west is predicated on tug-of-war between these two antithetical political forces. Rest of the world gets caught in the aggression of their power struggles, their expansionist ambitions, their imperialistic/colonial/hegemonic missions thru their appendages and satellites. True national and political independence means not becoming appendages of political process of western nations or any other nations. 345497@desicritics.org Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:19:14 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345484 artist: "Once upon a time, I used to quote this line from "The English Patient" liberally - "I wish to belong to a world where there are no maps". Now after many years on mother earth, I am not so sure..." nice quote; shades of lennon's "imagine". however, to some extent it has already happened and will never happen. paradoxical but true. 1. global capital and global capitalism pretty much operates with contempt and disdain for any maps, boundaries be they national, social, religious or cultural. when it comes to capital flows, there are no boundaries. 2. when it comes to labour, the boundaries are pretty much there, as are visas, work-permits, deportations etc. etc. albeit not for residents of the "developed" countries. boundaries, divisions etc. be they political, religious, cultural, linguistic etc. will never disappear. but they will never remain stable either, despite the efforts of the "thekedars" of such boundaries. change is permanent and there is fish-all anyone can do about it, except to gently nudge it in the right direction ie. not right-wing, but in the direction of compassion, on-setarianism, non-racism, non-sexism, non-homophobia, non-dog-eat-dog world. no easy task for sure, but better than encouraging and thriving on non-compassion, sectarianism, communalism, racism, sexism, homophobia etc. etc. 345484@desicritics.org Mon, 17 Nov 2008 16:11:45 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345482 Hi Kerty/Aditi/Common Sense, Please carry on your debate... It's great and I think it goes to the root of how human beings have been made by nature... And while I may be one of the mushy moderates as classified by Kerty (and a Bihari too:), I am still intrigued by this question... Doing a thought experiment... Suppose I meet a person who's different from me, however. Now I am not only tolerant, not even accepting, but genuinely desirous of knowing him/her, and also him/her knowing me. Feeling that out of this knowledge, certainly something positive would come out - creative destruction, like the Indo-Persian fusion giving rise to something like Tajmahal. Maybe... And yet I don't find the other person reciprocating in the same way. For whatever reason, he/she is uncomfortable, irritated by me, perhaps even fearful of me, wanting me out of the way. What is to be done then? Do I accept that nature makes all sorts and pass on? Or do I, knowing the importance of acceptance, the positivity arising out of synthesis of differences, first try to persuade the person to be receptive to me, and if that doesn't work, in the interests of the civilization, force him/her to accept me by making laws? I am on the horns of dilemma. If I don't take recourse to law, life for the likes of us will be made difficult by the intolerant people. If I do, I am taking the stand that nature doesn't hard-wire people to be intolerant, that it's all nurture. But I am not sure that's completely true going by a supposed study in the US on conservative vs. liberal leaning persons. Apparently it was found that conservatives/liberals don't behave differently in not only how they vote, but also how they drive on the road, how they woo the opposite sex, which sports they choose and so on. It was found that overwhelmingly, in all these things, people who voted liberally were apt to take rather riskier decisions than who voted for the conservatives... were freeier in their attitude. This study was conducted precisely for those things where identity in any form didn't influence choices, so I guess it sheds some light on the nature/nurture debate. Coming back to the main question, if nature has indeed some role to play in making Mr/Mrs. Standoffish the way they are... unaccomodating, biased, bigoted, unadaptable... couldn't I be guilty of the same intolerance that I abhor when I force them to change to suit my needs of having a more liberal world since that makes me happy? I don't know... I haven't found an answer yet. Once upon a time, I used to quote this line from "The English Patient" liberally - "I wish to belong to a world where there are no maps". Now after many years on mother earth, I am not so sure... What do you guys think? 345482@desicritics.org Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:05:59 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345420 kerty: ""Divide usually creates a spectrum of die-hard protagonists/antagonists at both ends and mushy moderates/independents in the middle - that is how all divides manifest."" in plain english, mushy or not, what pray, does this mean?? 345420@desicritics.org Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:29:41 EST http://desicritics.org/2008/11/03/114551.php#comment-345419 kerty: ""mushy moderates...."" mushy of pakistan is no more in power, and when he was, he was hardly a moderate... 345419@desicritics.org Sun, 16 Nov 2008 17:27:34 EST