Men In Skirts

well pink is definitely his color!

This is a cool article.

What you are questioning is the sense of desi sexuality, and considering the situations in India, i dont think there is much sensibility of desi sexuality in people.

Sex is not for recreation its for procreation, thats our motto :)

it may change when our desi dudes change in their attitude and start minding their own business. Infact rite now, the average desi spends more time minding other peoples business than his own and we can safely say that an average desi's OWN business is minding others business.

look no further for the proof, its in the comments that will follow!

cheers
Laks

Male SIF members are ready to break this barrier and establish gender equality. Wearing same kind of cloths for decades is extremely boring.

We would like to wear all these cloths and get into YouTube. That can also work as father's rights publicity campaign (e.g. Mrs.Doubtfire).

Sure, you want the men to wear a skirt - as if it is not trouble enough already to figure out which side faces the right way with our regular stuff as it is!

What MOST women absolutely fail to understand is that men are simple souls who only want a simplified life.

Pants are simple, dresses are not! There is no man who wants to make his life MORE complicated.

Next thing you will want is for us to start color-coordinating our attire, too!

And I bet you will soon start expecting us to start changing our outerwear on a regular basis also! Talk about high expectations!

Give them an inch and they always go for the whole yard! That's so typical of y'all.

So, will this new paradigm require men to shave more than just their cheeks?

BJ, dhothis were simpler than pants. Then how come the migration?

Amrita, you know how it is- all the cute guys are either married or gay;)

Sumanth- if you promise that your guys won't do a full Monty at the end of the dance I will definitely watch it to show my support;)

BJ, think about the money couples would save if they shared their clothes;)

Suj there are men who get body waxing done and that does means over the entire terrain;)

how many women get that done in India,i'm into ass licking ;is there a terminology for that ?

Laks, the Chinese and Japanese population levels are dropping and the researchers blame it on stress, India on the other hand seems to be booming population wise.

Morality is a middle class phenomena, for most Indians with hard lives sex is the one free recreational activity they can turn to besides the idiot box:)

Kela, is there a terminology for asslickers? check dictionary.com The answer might be available there, beats me though.

ooops...sorry about the China part, I meant India over taking the Chinese teeming masses sometime in the near future:)

DL

It would surprise you to note that the population growth levels in the south (+orissa) of the country are the same as western Europe and China.

On the other hand, Bih,MP,Raj and UP have population growth level twice the southern region (+orissa)....


rgds

Yes, but who wears more skirts?

Kela: how many women get that done in India,i'm into (EDITED) ;is there a terminology for that ?

Chandra: There is no terminology for that.[EDITED - DON'T GET COCKY]

I remember a photo op a few years back when Becks went to Thailand and sashayed about the town in a sarong.

Very metrosexual looking thing, men wearing girlie things AND looking confident/comfy, I'm reliably told.

But something about the bloke in the pic icks me. I like my men macho and rugged.

its anilingus i think according to wikipedia.
Chandra- you can call me watever you wish,[EDITED]

Kela

As I have mentioned before, your corrupt mind will get salvation only after you forsake christianity and embrace hinduism. That is the only way you can save yourself from your decadent mind.

rgds

Chandra - i'll worry about my salvation,thank you.In the meantime what are you doing to save your ilk from the decadence of kal-yug LOL.look at the posts in this very forum.Your own people are rebelling.

Kela

All the others are already in the fold. You are not. I plead with you to seek help quickly. Your stay in christianity will ruin you in the days to come. Please come over to Hinduism. I am really worried for you.

rgds

er, boys, can you take this outside, please?
ta!

Chandra, thanks for the info and yes, I am surprised:)

DG, don't sarongs look like loongies?:)

DG

Thank you for the suggestion.

rgds

DG

Thank you for the suggestion.

rgds

Dee,
My thought exactly but as it was Beckham who wore it, it became uber-cool.
Go figure!

DG, at least he didn't get mad at the reporters and flash them;)

What a friggin [EDITED],i think this guy spends the whole day visiting sundry sites and regurgitating the same crap

Kela, I'm sure you can be a gentleman and stop with the baiting? Hijacking the thread is not a nice thing to do.

Why don't both of you go skirt-shopping - I hear there's a sale on at Macy's:)

Dee- my comments were related to the article before that [EDITED] decided to make it personal with me

Aaman

We dont have the macy's here. Thanks for the suggestion anyway :-)

cheers mate

Dee,
*shudder* Shush before Posh decides to act on your suggestion to popularise the Beckham brand name!

Chandra:
You cud always try macys.com!

Kela, I'm sure you can use humor to counter the argument and no name calling please :)

I think itis about time for the world to accept men in skirts. IT IS A FAR MORE PRACTICAL WAY OF DRESSING GIVEN THE MALE ANATOMY. I wear a kilt everyday as a man.

Good for you, Dave.

I think every society has its own form of a male skirt - lunghis and the more formal dhothis in ours, kilts in the Scottish society, sarongs for men in places like Thailand and so on. Bears thinking about, this.

On an aside, would any of you blokes feel comfortable going in to work wearing a crisp, white dhothi?

DG

As usual!! Thank you for your suggestion.

rgds

Forget Becks, our own Sallu bhai wore mini-sarongs on screen WAY before. :-) And looked good too, although hot isn't the word that comes to my mind but that may be a personal choice.

Btw, the guy in the pic is great. Love his ability to wear something that would make most women feel ridiculous and smile! Dee, have his number? ;-)

Chandra - "DON'T GET COCKY" is that a threat ?and if so do you think you're capable of carrying it out ?

Kela, that's an editorialism directed at Chandra, don't get paranoid

oops sorry i misread that,i thought he typed that again,silly me

Anamika, he is quite the hunk but like I told Amrita the fellow seems to be too good to be true;)

a bit plastique-fantastique, if u ask me! rather like our own Ash

ps: Sallu + mini sarongs? time to zip my lips!

Aah well, he can smile still. Unlike our own Ash. :-)

Sallu + mini-sarongs = Har Dil Jo Pyaar Karega (2000). Song lyrics go: Ek garam chai ki pyaali ho...

For information purposes only DG. Do keep those lips sealed. ;-)

Lol @ plastique fantastique!
I remember the sarong, Anamika, but I'll say one thing for Sallu, he's the one Bollywood istar who puts himself out there sartorially speaking. He was wearing pink long before everyone decided it was a sign of masculine confidence.

Coming back to the cutie in the corset - who cares if he's made of play dough? I'm just lookin', no touchin'.

Anamika, I have yet to see the movie but Sallu does have a cute tush and I love men in Kilts not thongs.

Thongs do the 'in your face' kind of a thing and its quite disconcerting;)

Not all men can pull off a kilt or skirt.On screen maybe but I doubt midget khan would look good . with those exaggerated deltoids and skinny legs it would be an odd sight.
I on the other hand (thanks to my brahman birth)all of 6ft2 ,closely trimmed body hair and well defined calfs(product of trail-running) would look really dashing.

DG: macy's.com don't ship to india.the only website which does (besides ebay ) is jcpenny.However ever since losing two packages in succession at Kolkatta airport/customs i've stopped making international purchases

Still zipped, Anamika - tres hard, I must add!

Dee - do stop putting such images in my head, I beg you.

Ams - I dunno, mately. I'll stick to your Rick!

DG, you are one of those visual kinds? Oh boy! The fun thats in store for me:)

*groan*

Oh DG, let go. We want to know.... :-)

I agree, Amrita, Sallu was wearing dhotis with Doc Martens way back when. Made dhotis look dead cool and the look was copied too. Btw, you're not alone - I like the corset-walla cutie too. And who cares if he's made of plastic or dough. :-)

Dee, am not big on thongs on men but weren't we discussing OUTER wear?

Hehehe....Anamika, shouldn't we be completely generous when it comes to sharing our wardrobe?

There should be no discrimination what so ever- the logo should be - What's mine is yours.

And why burn the bras? Pass them along to men with heavy breasts;)

Anamika:
I wish I could but once I get an image in my head, it is hard to let it go. And Dee isn't making it any easier *glare*

Dee... maybe we shld lend that bum-crack skirt u found!

I still think that idea of a men's bra called Manzier (or "Bro") on Sienfeld a few years ago was a terrific one (not the clothing itself but the direction)

What we need in is innovation in men's clothing! Women didn't adapt men's clothing fully until they were designed specifically for them. Where's the skirt that would stay on my hips and not slide off all the time?

Aspi, skirts don't slide down, they fly up!! ;)

I love Seinfeld especially Kramer, they did an episode on the European purse also and recently when my MIL gave me a 'Swiss' European purse for Aaman his reaction was the same as in Sienfeld -Its a handbag and I'm not going to carry it around!

DG, I had a tough time seeing women in those skirts and if men wear it I'd be the first to perform harakeri.

Thanks a lot Deepti for the moral courage to make the stupendous statement "Fact is, male gender discrimination goes at a deeper level".
My respect for you has gone a notch higher.It is not that men are fishing for compliments or are wanting to be "understood", but few women generally come out and say that.Bravo!

and the same women complain that all the cute guys are gay

I wholly agree with Ajay. Kudos to Deepa. But does not Ajay's statement reveal the depth at which the gender discrimination against men works when he very apologetically says, "It is not that men are fishing for compliments or are wanting to be "understood",".
Why should not men fish for compliments or want to be "understood"? It is a normal human sentiment to be wanted, loved, complimented and understood. Why should men be apologetic about it and be made to feel that desiring for such sensitivities is "unmanly" or not masculine? These are simple human wants which differentiates humans from animals.
Ajay's comment only displays the pathetic mental make up of men and the deep gender bias against them that they are unable to come out openly with their emotions and they try to apologise when they at all come out with it.
Anyway Deepa has done the job for us and my regards are there for her.

Or married!! Typical kela!!

I just wanted to say: Hi Deepa, congratulations on the name change!

Re: the man purse, I think it depends on the bag and the man. Its like how women cant just pick up any old bag and walk out of the house. Some are just plain WRONG. Like that dead Lhasa Apso JLo carried with her to jury duty.

And no Deepa, I'm not sharing my knickers with anyone. Bras and corsets maybe but I draw the line at knickers.

dear bihari nice to see you again,i was afraid ur mind might have wandered too far but u made it anyway.So are you one of those that wears sarees and bangles and claps their hands while shouting hai hai?

A Dee by any other name eh, Ams? :D

Huh? Name change? Deepa? The only Deepa I know on DC is our Deepa K;)

Next it will be Dee1 and Dee2 or R2D2;)

Knickers reminds of that movie -Wayne's World where Mike Myers pranced around in his girl friend's undies, now that was plain wrong;)

Ajay and Fundoo we humans tend to discriminate all the time sometimes over trivial things and sometimes over crucial matters . Point is once realized it should not be indulged in again:)

I can get behind R2D2! Who's C3PO?

Deepti, Yesterday I was reading the Feb edition of FORTUNE and it has an interesting post which says about how Bing, [ do you follow Stanley Bing, his posts are good :) ] wants to acquire a new credible persona, change his wardrobe as he feels his present one is something that
needs a makeover soon.

He calls the chinos that men wear makes one look like ten pounds of sausage in a five pound
bag :) Oh, that's right! Bing! .Check here for more.

I don't wear chinos,they're too low-end for me,but i do agree with the Bing chap

I'm not too fond of women wearing pants in office,very clerical.skirts are best

There is gender discrimination every where. Both men and women are subjected it. Since today women are more vocal and expressive, we feel that there is only gender discrimination against women only.
Women too expect men to behave in a particular straight jacketed way which suites them and they would hate men changing it how so ever women themselves may claim to be liberating themselves. Just as Kela said, overwhelming number of women feel that a sensitive , fashion conscious and cute man is "gay". Hence men are not supposed to be sensitive, emotional, and not come out with their pains, insecurities and upheavals . If he does , he is not "manly enough".

Dee, I dont share my wardrobe thank you very much. Spend far too much money and time building it to be reflective of my tastes. But then I don't borrow clothes from others - men or women either. :-)

My logic - they want to dresss in thongs, corsets, saris, whatever, they bloody go buy their own. Just as I buy my Brooks Brother pinstripe shirts for myself. :-)

On the other hand, remember that Aamir Khan movie where he dressed up as a very pretty woman complete with make up and high heels. Was the prettiest guy in drag since Rishi Kapoor! Sallu as far as I can remember hasn't done drag yet. DG - any info?

Hey, Xanadu - you say: "Hence men are not supposed to be sensitive, emotional, and not come out with their pains, insecurities and upheavals . If he does , he is not "manly enough"."

Don't know where you live, but in my world he is metrosexual or indeed ubersexual, and VERY attractive.

Saks is the girl to ask, esp for matters re Sallu baba, Anamika.

All I know is, Kamal Hassan donned the madisaar for Avvai Shanmugi and looked reasonably passable.

Sallu dressed in drag, very fetchingly, in Jaan-e-man to shadow Sunil Shetty, and later they woke up in bed together, I believe.

I'll try to get this discussion back on track :).

Now if I wore skirts and they flew up, given my uh, male apparatus, I would have to wear some really tight and snug undies to keep from doing a Britney. And that would suck - I love my boxers. So the only option would be really long skirts. That wouldn't be fair at all, don't you think?

Aspi - do you remember the boxer briefs that Marky Mark sported in his CK ad? Thats what you want to wear - a sort of male bloomer.

Anamika - word on the wardrobe. College is over, get your own clothes.

Aspi, technically if you wore kilts, you would need to go commando, even if they flew up. The Scots do! ;-)

Amrita - good god, you remember Marky Mark! Quick girl, get some help. :-)

Btw, I already HAVE my wardrobe. Read my post - I don't BORROW or LOAN my clothes. Spend far too much of my hard money on them to have someone else mess them up. :-)

Sallu in drag? And in bed with Mr. Muscles Shetty? Hmm...will have to check that one out. Methinks our industry metrosexuals are getting a little toooo confident about their sexuality. ;-)

Anamika - I just saw him the other day in a movie which helped keep him in mind. :D

No no, I didnt mean you should buy clothes... It was a general, grow up message. I was agreeing with you, see?

DG, seems like our 'Bagal' is C3PO;)

DG, seems like our 'Bagal' is C3PO;)

Ams that was complicated. But now I see the light...

I totally agree why should i have to wear what is classed as female garments in the content of my home ,when my wife and kids are tucked up in bed i long for the day when we men can wear whatever we want ,and no one will bat an ,eye lid, i think there are lots of frustrated men out there.

The other day I saw a stunning man in shocking pink dhoti and anga-vastram. He was barefoot, going to a temple. Perhaps he was Jain, but I've never seen a Jain in that colour. Anyway - I stopped and stared. He looked good enough to eat. Our men have done themselves a disservice by not wearing Indian clothing. It is dramatic and sexy and looks wonderful on dark skin. Shekhar Suman was very attractive in Utsav inspite of the wimpy hair and personality.

Hey, Deepa, did he get weirded out? ;-)

I noticed that in India. Men are so used to doing the staring that they get really weirded out if a woman stares. (Won't recommend this north of the Deccan where men take it as a come on though)!

Seen Hindu men in bright pink dhotis too so curious why you think he was jain; in fact some friends who are Nairs. But then I know northern men who wear bright pink safas (Rajput style turbans). Men look good in pink!

Way too few men in India wear traditional clothes any more. And that is a shame because they look much better in those clothes. Even the firangs look better. Remember Patrick Swayze in City of Joy. Couldn't STAND the movie but Swayze in his white kurta pyjama made it (barely) tolerable. :-)

Today we see men being sexually stereotyped and pathetically labelled as "metrosexual",
"ubersexua", retrosexual","petrosexual" etc. He is to be continiously evaluated and judged by feminists and then type casted into a rigid mode. He is not a man in his own right and is not expected to be his natural self.Every man is different and has the right to be as he is instead of being labelled and called names.
ARE WOMEN LABELLED SIMILARLY? IF NOT, THEN HOW CAN WOMEN SEXUALLY STEREOTYPE MEN AND GRADE HIM.FROM WHERE DO THEY THINK THEY HAVE GOT THE RIGHT TO DO SO?? IS THIS NOT SEXUAL BIAS AGAINST MEN. DOES IT NOT REVEAL THE DEEP SET GENDER BIAS THAT WOMEN HAVE AGAINST MEN?

Fundoo - women have so many names - [EDITED] among others

I agree with Fundoo. Feminists have categorised men in the media openly while women are not so categorised.We do not find women being described as "so and so sexual". Feminists claim that women are free to express themselves as they are but they deny men the right to express himself freely by his behavior , dress, mannerism etc and be as he is and wants to be. He is then instantly categorized , labeled and criticized . This is a totally sexiest and female chauvinistic attitude which is openly and shamelessly displayed in the media by women.Such blatant gender discrimination and stereotyping of men should be banned in the media immediately.

I am not able to understand as to why the word "sexual" is attached as a suffix to describe a man as in "metrosexual","ubersexual", retrosexual","petrosexual" etc . How is the sexuality of a man so defined and questioned.Moreover , who are women to sexually typecast men and decide as to what he should be or not be. We do not see women categorised and labeled in this manner.

It is not mere categorising and labeling men. It goes much beyond that. Certain perceived and imaginary qualities are then prescribed by feminists to each such category of men .Then depending on the perceived and imaginary qualities, they are projected as "negative" or "positive" qualities.
Most certainly "positive" qualities are those which give a sense of "security" to women, for example, a man who is "sensitive" i.e. a man who is totally willing to sacrifice his own wants and cater and pamper eternally to the eternal and ever changing wants of women.
"Negative" qualities are those where a man wants to live as he is, is confident in his own identity and proud of his masculinity. Mind you, masculinity or macho is a dirty word as far as feminists are concerned. So a man is not supposed to behave as per his mental and physical orientation and as his hormones make him behave.
On the other hand today we find women asserting their sexuality, claiming to behave as they want, behaving in a permissive and aggressive manner and saying that it is their "empowerment". But men are precluded from behaving in a macho manner, be aggressive and be proud of his masculinity and his identity as a man. Then he is brutally and openly sexually categorized, labeled, stereotyped and criticized and precluded from being what he is and wants to be.
This is feminism and all the garbage about equality is all about.Such categorisation should be banned from the media.

Trust you people to turn a light hearted subject into your agenda driven garbage.

Don't know the kind of barracudas you've been messing with but most women like balanced men.

Yawn, get a life, mate or a gay mate if you people hate women so much;)

Hahaha, ignorant kool aid drinkers provide endless entertainment.

it seems Shashi UN Tharoor wrote an article in the TOI saying women should wear saris more often and he got a barrage of hate mail from the FEMNAZIS for being sexist and other things ,poor guy had to issue an apology in todays TOI LOL

It is true Kela, at the slightest hint of a sexiest comment from a man, he is made to apologise. But we see totally sexiest attitude of feminists which appear in the media, and it is not subjected with the same amount of venom.

Tired, most men like balanced women too. But some women who profess to be die hard feminists are simply ain't that. If there are disbalanced public around, you gotta be disbalanced too.

The label "petrosexual" is assigned to a man who simply loves his bike, car or machine and feels that the contours of his machine and sexier than that of a woman. Such a man is seen in a "negative" light and is branded as a petrosexual".
Can not a man like his bike, machine or some other vehicle? Does not it imply that he always has to be under the sexual spell of some woman and submit to her sexual charms and not an independent choice of his own. If he does not, than it is a "negative" trait in a man. Does not this imply sexual stereotyping men? Can we today apply such sexual bias against women in the media and get away with it without being subjected to scathing comments from the media-feminists?

The traces of female chauvinism and blatant attempt to stereotype men is also apparent from the current urge by women to describe those men as "wimps" who do not readily agree to have sex with women. Women not consenting readily to have sex with a man is not labeled as a "wimp", where as a man is derogatingly said so time and again in the media openly by media-feminists.

It is true that the term "wimp" is being increasingly used in the media by the modern woman in an extremely derogatory way to describe some men. This term is referred to describe a man who is weak or is not willing to readily have sex with a woman.
This only reflects the pre-conceived sexiest notions of the modern woman that men have to be "strong" and always willing to be available for sex. If he has weaknesses or refuses to consent to have sex, he is not a "man" and is a "wimp". But woman showing the same signs is not a "wimp".

A woman refusing to have sex is not supposed to be a wimp and it is felt that she is assering her individuality to decide as to how to use her body and as to when, with whom and where to have sex. Some how feminists do not think that men too have the right to say "NO". If he does, then he is a wimp.

The problem is that with the sexual assertiveness of the modern woman, many a modern woman today has to face "no" from their boyfriends when they express their desire to have sex. This is terribly insulting for the woman and she turns up and accuses the man of being a wimp. She is not willing to face a sexual rejection. But when men have to face sexual rejection, they do not end up accusing the woman as a wimp. It is seen as the prerogative of women to deny sex to men. Women have to accept the reality that men too have the right to say "no" and to decide as to when, with whom and where to have sex.

Why is the 'sexual assertiveness of the modern woman' a problem, Fundoo, unless you're not getting asserted to?

And unless I've been dreaming, it's as much my prerogative to have a 'headache' and pass on sex as a woman's - been there, done that.

What this has to do with men in skirts, I'm not sure.

And unless I've been dreaming, it's as much my prerogative to have a 'headache' and pass on sex as a woman's - been there, done that.

*koff koff*

Wish he was a bit less cryptic, last I remembered he never had a headache with me ;)

Watch out Deepti - the SIFies would accuse you of harassing and intimidating him into not having "headaches," especially since you are "feminist"!! :-)

Anamika, he is entitled to his 'headaches' and whatever else thats due to him. I'm not the type to foist myself on anyone;)

Aman when I said "The problem is that with the sexual assertiveness of the modern woman' what I meant is not that the sexual assertiveness of a woman is a problem. Why should it be? What I meant is that the problem that is arising with some women is that with the sexual assertiveness, she is not able to accept a rejection also in the same spirit.

Aman , in response to your comment, "What this has to do with men in skirts, I'm not sure", I may say that this topic of "Men in skirts" had largely dealt with the issue of deep set gender bias against men. The current trend in the media to describe men as wimps also reflects this deep set gender bias and hence it is being discussed here.

With the increasing promiscuity among women, many women are demanding sexual gratification from their partners and many of them have to face a refusal. This is a terrible blow to the ego of the modern woman and she is not willing to accept such a situation. She is not willing to accept that a man also has the right to decide whether he wants to go in for pre-marital sexual indulgence or at least wait till he feels that the relationship is more meaningful, emotionally fulfilling and there is commitment on the part of the woman.
Many men, just as many women, do not view sex just as an act to animal passion . Many women and men do have reservations about sex before marriage and exercise their right to decide as to when to have sex and draw a line and are guided by their own morals and values. And they are entitled to it.
While it is accepted that modern women have the right not to go in for pre-marital sex, the same modern women scathingly calls a man a "wimp" openly in the media, if a man exercises his discretion.

Hey, I will share my skirts with my husband any day.... but I have to draw the line if he tries to co-opt my 31/2 inch kenneth cole heels :)

(sorry but only one person in the family should be wearing stilletos)

Do women want to see men in women's clothes? I guess some people like such kinky stuff to get their kicks. Its good for the foreplay, I guess.

Mothers, who want to see their sons touching their feminine side, can raise them as feminists. They can put them in girls clothes, put on lipstick, wear plaits, and make them play with Barbie dolls. They should send their sons to schools wearing girl clothes. The sons will grow up to appreciate such moms. They will also turn out to be extremely good boyfriends when they grow up.

:-)

If the ranters above spent less time ranting and more time reading up on the things that they rant about then they'd know that it was actually a man who came up with the term Metrosexual and there is a specific cultural context in which that term originated, which had less to do with women's perception of men and was more about men's machismo.

But heaven forbid anything interrupt your mass hysteria.

ajay.. your argument has a lot of holes ( and I am being nice here). I mean, first of all you assume that any premarital sex is simply based on lust and there can be no other kind of commitment. and hahahha, you're attributing everything to the "increasing promiscuity among women"?

(pause)

I think I just tinkled my pants laughing.

"as the right to decide whether he wants to go in for pre-marital sexual indulgence or at least wait till he feels that the relationship is more meaningful, emotionally fulfilling and there is commitment on the part of the woman"

In psychology, this is called PROJECTION.

If a woman denies to have sex, her sexuality is not challenged. But if a man denies to have sex, his sexuality is immediately put to question by women and he is described as a wimp.

Well, it is not only women who are entitled to rave and rant. Men have the right to rant too. Women had ranted for a few months about what women "want" and the media was so full of it that one was bored sick and wanted to throw up.So why object if a few men rant and tnat too in the "net".Women feel that it is only they who can talk about gender issues. If men come out, women feel threatened and label it as "ranting".

People of Character and Integrity would never force themselves on others.

Only If the world was equal feminists would have been getting fucked on highways...it is only because the society is so heavily biased towards women ands so utterly ruthless towards men that

1) A sexually demanding woman is protected and embellished for being "sexually assertive" while precisely the same demeanor of male invites the wrath of feminists(and MCPs) castigating men as "sexually starved beings".

2) A woman who is sexually dormant is appreciated for being innocent, pious, sincere and shariffe so on so forth and while ironically a man exhibiting exactly same the traits is ridiculed as "wimp".

Never before in the history of civilization has an injustice of this magnitude been inflicted upon any living being as is being done on males these days in the name of feminism and women empowerment. These misandrists feminists will not stop until all men become destitute and downtrodden or develop the capability to bear a child(which ever happens earlier) and all women acquire the stature of Ambani's and Birla's. The means to achieve does not matter to feminists(By hook or crook). The long term goal of feminism is to extend this unchallenged female dominance to animal world once males (among human beings) have been tamed, subjugated or eliminated.

Feminists represent a true gender morphed face of Nazis and Talibanies. And all this is happening right next to you. The ignorant bunch of feminists keep ranting and blabbering about adversity of woman both on and off the internet and keep collecting funds for their lavish life style from the public exchequer. Only a MCP can keep his/her eyes closed to this reprehensible conduct being practiced, advocated and promoted by feminists.

"Only If the world was equal feminists would have been getting fucked on highways..."

You SOOO have the courage of your convictions that you have to post anonymously? Btw, "getting fucked" is a synonym for RAPE and implies a lack of consent. SO according to you female consent is entirely and absolutely dependent on male goodwill? Thanks for showing your own Taliban colours!

Aaman - this is particularly offensive piece of writing. You might consider outing such trolls!
At least their own families, partners, (especially mums) should know how they call for rape on internet fora.

In disgust!

This phenomenon only explodes the myths that men are willing to pull down their pants and start fornicating the moment a woman states that she is sexually available. Just as a host of factors are involved prior to a woman consenting for sex, it seems that such factors too work for some men prior to his consenting for sex . For some men, sex may be an act of love, commitment etc and he may be unwilling to consent if he feels that the relationship has not reached the level of love and commitment that he wants to before sexually committing himself. He has all the right to refuse to have sex in such a case. Women simply have to accept this fact and not childishly accuse men of being wimps.

Today in advice columns of various magazines and newspapers, we are coming across "advices" where men are being chided and ridiculed for asking or seeking advice whether he should have sex with his girl friend who wants to have sex. The attitude is that " what a wimp you are not to go in for wild fornication, when the girl herself is willing". This attitude takes it for granted that men should always be "available", which they are not obviously as we see such advices being seeked by men regularly.
This only shows that just as many women do, many men too have a value based attitude about sex and want to enter into a sexual relation only if he feels that there is adequate love and commitment. Hence, to accuse the man of being a wimp and ridiculing him is being totally insensitive and damaging to his self esteem and self respect. He is made to feel that he is not "manly" enough if he refuses sex even if he is not mentally prepared for it. His masculinity is put into question which can lead to severe identity crisis in the man.
DO WE DEAL IN A SIMILARLY HEARTLESS FASHION IF A WOMAN ASSERTS HER RIGHTS AND REFUSES TO HAVE SEX AND WANTS TO GIVE IT MORE TIME , THOUGHT AND COMMITMENT? Are we not openly perpetuating ruthless gender discrimination.

Hahahha, call them on their bullshit and suddenly the world is full of misogynist spam masquerading as comments.

Anamika - I think most of the ignorant bs that's making its presence felt here is sort of funny. The irony is of course, that none of the ranters here would ever get called any kind of sexual and the men they're ostensibly speaking up for are men who;d look down on them :D It's hilarious.

I know, Amrita, and agree.

These are precisely the men that no woman would spare a second look. Unfortunately, their mindset also reveals that they may well be the kind who foist themselves on women - whether by harassing women on buses and trains or by perpetuating marital rape under the guise of "conjugal rights."

Their rants are ridiculous, but they are also repulsive given the rather Talabani combination of gender-linked victimhood and entitlement.

Klassen Konflikt, nicht Geschlecht!!

Well put, Chandra, there is indeed more than a hint of class warfare in this gender war.

On the one hand there are those who refer to arguments meant to demonstrate that Geschlecht represents a constant and natural fact, predetermined by the human body, so that the body is to be understood as the locus of reference for all socially generated meanings. The opposite view states that Geschlecht is a social and cultural entity, essentially constituted by language and discourse, so that gender-specific meanings are completely conventional; for this very reason, they can be changed by means of discursive interventions. The opposition between these two positions could not be greater, and the controversy as to what constitutes the research topic...

Ich liebe Deutsches sehr. Deutsches ist Klass-y und Geschlecht-y!

Well, why can't I weigh in with something frivolous!

Well I know where I fall on the divide :)

oh boy! now its getting interesting!!

More fuel for all of you.....


http://www.guardian.co.uk/india/story/0,,2054635,00.html

Unfortunately, their mindset also reveals that they may well be the kind who foist themselves on women - whether by harassing women on buses and trains or by perpetuating marital rape under the guise of "conjugal rights."


If x = rational number and y = is an integer
then x + y is a vector of fifth dimension.Huh?

Please anamika..you have judged men for too long based upon your sloppy crappy theories. Any generlizations are deemed detrimental if applied to anybody outside your ghetto.

women in buses blah blah ...

coming back, The bunch to be found here on DC is none of them...they are industrialists masquerading as feminists who believe in gender based(and biased) capitalism. The only limiting factor to this strong urge of feminists to rape male-kind is perhaps, the sole absence of necessary tool.

the men they're ostensibly speaking up for are men who'd look down on them

If only you had the ability to understand that the reason for some men (MPCs) to be unduly sympathetic and extravagantly forgiving and accommodative towards mischievous women(feminists) is primarily the strong urge to advance in mating queue and to look down upon the rival genes. That our parliament is full of such MCPs is hardly intangible.

Not that this attribute is not shared by beings universally (even by the other gender), the fact is that humans (even while under the strong genetic influence) in general have evolved high enough to become compassionate to sufferings of innocents and be wary of nefarious designs of those feminists who under the guise of woman-victimhood propagate massacre of justice and the right to get fair and equal treatment. For those few MCPs who still operate under the influence of their "selfish" genes, the only fault could be with their socio-evolutionary history.

These are precisely the men that no woman would spare a second look

Was there an inflated ego in their?. Thus, By Anamika's fourth principle of feminism, the right to have a second look was reserved exclusively for the feminists brand. BTW, let me you remind you that you stand for "disgruntled women party" and not for women in general by any measure. If hiding behind woman cause earns you some credibility then I am sorry to say, I know what you are upto.

FYI, Men however do not bother to look deep into eyes of such conniving feminists either, but instead believe in CTF & FTB treatment.

It's hilarious.
It is also amazing...

Women are finding it very hard to digest. Their deep set gender bias is amazing and their anger at being exposed is hilarious.

The only limiting factor to this strong urge of feminists to rape male-kind is perhaps, the sole absence of necessary tool.

Necessary tool? There are a whole bunch of feminists who can tell you that male rape is very much a reality. But they wouldn't indulge in it even in your most frustrated dreams.

Paranoid sex driven bunch!!

Role Reversal's comments are worth a second look as it is true that today we increasingly find in various "advice" columns today, men seeking advice on whether to consent to have sex with their girl friends when she is demanding sexual intercourse.
It is also true that the men seeking such advice are treated not treated with understanding but with contempt as if they are some kinds of freaks since they are not indulging in sex when the girl herself is "willing" and his masculinity is challenged. Such an attitude is intensely humiliating for these men and it severely damages their personality, future sexual desire and performance and leads to immense inferiority complexity.
What is more startling is the reaction of women as they refuse to believe that the modern men should come out with such issues which concern him. Women talk about sexual revolution, sex education for kids etc and they are aghast when men come out with issues which affects them.The modern woman refuses to accept it.

The modern woman talks about sex education and the need to be free about sex and to have no inhibitions to discuss about it. By this they mean only women discussing about sexual problems and issues. But if men come out of their shells and start discussing, they have to face comments from women like- "Unfortunately, their mindset also reveals that they may well be the kind who foist themselves on women - whether by harassing women on buses and trains or by perpetuating marital rape under the guise of "conjugal rights. Their rants are ridiculous, but they are also repulsive " .
The so called sexually liberated woman then calls men "talibans and repulsive" if men come out and speak out. So much so in the name of sexual liberation and being open about sex.It is all a farce. It is nothing but blatant female chauvinism.They have a deep set gender stereotyping of men which feminists do not want to be broken.

xanadu, who are these women? Female Virginity continues to be a prized possession in India.

It would be wise for you guys to give concrete facts instead of making stuff up and getting your buddies to try and pass it off as truth!

Only someone with low self esteem or who is weak willed would consider themselves shamed if they are challenged about their beliefs and this goes for both the genders.

It seems you three are picking words out of context to suit your senseless blather! No where has Anamika said that women have the right to rape men or any feminist for that matter.

Show concrete links to counter your arguments.
We've heard you three say the same stuff again and again on this thread and its tiresome and is down right obnoxious.

Thanks Somya, but they will not produce concrete facts but anecdotal evidence, and like neocons quote false figures ad nauseum hoping that eventually people will believe them.

As for women in buses, trains etc., I am sure enough women on DC have travelled in Delhi buses to get to university, have taken trains in Mumbai and so forth. Not all of us have rich parents as obviously the SIF-ers do! The reason U-Specials run in Delhi is PRECISELY because the ride on a regular bus is a nightmare with men who have no clue of female consent harassing women as and when they can!

But of course, in classic Taliban style, men who have been screaming themselves hoarse on this forum shall blame the woman. I am waiting until they start quoting the usual passages about how women "should be covered up so as not to attract and incite men," etc!

Guys go to Afghanistan - the gender laws out there shall suit you to a T! Oh wait, there is that bit about male rape.....

Chandra - very funny! :-)

I have to agree with Emma's logic in her article Shashi Tharoor and the saree.Shashi can't argue that its was just his personal opinion considering he has made the "women" of India as his subject.Deepti Lamba here,by similarly targeting the "men" of India has committed a faux-pas for which she has to make ammends.She should immediately edit her article and replace the word "MEN" with "AAMAN".So the topic heading would be like this -"Aaman in a skirt" ...

Kela, thought you were holding your breath till a certain apology came your way.

Khair! People should be allowed to wear what they want, do what they feel like and live as they feel like till the time no one gets hurt.

Rest would be all 'moral policing'!

Somya's comment "Paranoid sex driven bunch!!" also reveals the shocking deep set gender bias that so called feminists against men. It is the modern woman who has today ushered in an era of sexual promiscuity, sex revolution, growing teen sex, rampant premarital sex, prostitution by young girls, adultery etc. But if men talk about sex and the changing dimensions of it, they are demeaned as "Paranoid sex driven bunch" as if being sexually active and being proud of one's sexuality is something bad and disgusting if men indulge in it. The attitude and ingrained bias against men is hilarious as well as unbelievable.

I think that the women here in this forum are taking things too personally. No body is trying to promote sexual harassment of women in buses etc. The simple point is that if a man refuses to have sex just as a woman can, then why is he labeled as a wimp while a woman is not.
Times have changed, roles have been reversed and the difference between men and women have blurred. Yet we see that men being ridiculed by women here on the D.C. for coming out with issues regarding sexuality in view of changing attitudes. Why are women feeling so threatened and accusing men of being talibans if men are expressing certain aspect of sexual bias against them that is going on in the media. They have the right to say so. Why should men try to justify it. What they are saying is also a reality and women should be matured enough to accept it.
As far as repeating the same thing is concerned, media feminists splash the entire media with their ideas and perceptions repeatedly and no body questions them. So why can not men do the same to stress their point.Why this urge to stiffle men.

right dee,but when i saw how enthusiastic Chandra was to have me back I didn't want to disappoint.However seeing that most want me out of here my posts will be few and far between :)

Hey Kela...

Welcome back....I was really missing you man....

cheers

thank you Chandra,you are very kind :)

Hey kela - welcome back. And a word of advice - stick to the funny posts; trolling and baiting just get tedious. Besides, they don't show off your much appreciated comic talent.

Btw, I am being TOTALLY serious!

Anamika,u never give up on me do u?even my mom thinks i have no talent :(

Anamika ,i agree ,as long as trolling remains within the realms of gamesmanship it's fun.Look out for my blog wherein i shall be posting the conversations between me and my first celebrity catch ,the amazing Mr Gregory David Roberts better known as Shanantaram and author of Shantaram.He too feel victim to my indomitable trolling charms :-D

Good for you, kela. Enjoy your conversations...

I'm just a simple soul who loves wearing skirts mainly for the comfort, but also for the fun they offer; I enjoy the way they swish and swirl when I go contradancing. Believe it or not, as a man I DON'T LIKE TROUSERS. No doubt the feminists have a convenient classification 'box' to put me in but there are an awful lot of women who say they don't like skirts and will not wear them. Why should it be different for men? At the moment, I wear trousers to work; the woman next to me sometimes wear a skirt, sometimes trousers. Why does she get the choice when I don't?

I'm a man and I wear skirts two or three time each week. No reason - just because I feel like it. It's just clothes. Anyhow - I've got great legs - all the girls say so!

A couple of my skirts are pink. One has got pink flowers on it. So what?

Anyhow - answer the question: "What sort of clothes does a REAL man wear?"

Answer: "Whatever he damn well feels like".

End of.

Couldn't agree more with this-men should have equal rights,otherwise all women activits are doublefaced.Freedom is for all!Men should wear skirts,dresses,heels and so on as men as no women is embarassed to wear something that is considred masculine or male.

its bin said it takes a tough guy to wear pink.

i add ... if its a pink skirt he has brass balls becides.

seems that is what so many girls (who do not or won't wear skirts ) are lacking theses days.

matter of fack most guys do not have the brass balls to wear skirts at all ..

the option is out there ... no laws againt guys wearing skirts i've ever heard of
( document it if i'm in error on this )

so it does boil down to , what does a real man wear ?

answer ; what ever he likes to and is tough enough to try.

i'm davidainmaryland1 in yahoo if you want to comment back directly as it could be weeks before i find my way back again to see any responces.

Men's favourite colour---'Mauve'