Dowry Deaths: Myths and Reality

Is this your econometrics model to prove your data?

Do NOT quote Madhu Kishwar out of context to mislead, read her entire article carefully. See her cartoon pics in the article, the highlighted quotes--that has another story to say about how dowry exists rampantly.

Quoting her
"Not surprisingly, men in those government jobs such as the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) and the Indian Police Service (IPS), which command the highest bribes and unlimited avenues for looting the public as well as robbing from the public exchequer and appropriating resources such as land allotments and business contracts command the highest dowries. If in a family one son is an IAS officer, his dowry will be substantially higher than that of his brother who may have managed to get nothing more than a schoolteacher's job" Unquote

Madhu Kishwar is a respectable social activist who has nothing to say about sif, rather she is also a victim of sif spam. Btw why are you quoting a women who is known to be a strong sharp feminist.

Where is the data of sif? Or is the basis of data those criminals in sif who are hiding in there to protect themsleves?

Recently President Kalam was the chief guest in Bangalore university on 8 april that I attented and when questioned about dowry harassment, he said there are many horrible husbands on the internet. These were his exact words.Any clues who they are?

"A Patriarchal Society considers a man's life to be 10 times cheaper than that of a woman's life."

- Sorry they consider them as a Bakra /Chiken , no record and value for thier live , it is a routine that they born to be killed and no one have any right for the protest , if any one protest to be behind the bar for women biasing , Am I right , sumanth ?

That is the reson , you can see feminsit never ever say "waht is Crime against men " vs. " What is crime against women" data.

Also they completely irnore the data what is Crime against women by another women and waht is crime against men by another men .

More than 100 feminist doctor caught red handed by media for killing the child , as a result in the next day we see our MP/MLA voice for stop the media sting operation itslef .

We wonder ,today indian are human or animale ?

They does not have a brain to think any thing logically , they think the way feminsit teach them , they even refuse to consider the report of WHO , High Court Judges order , Supreme court Judges order !!!

Sumanth , would you please tell something how many child had been killed my Indian women every day ?

Ash
if your blind for that , how SIF is responsible ?

SIF is a movement and another movement going on in the name of BIF movement .

If you can't be a part of SIF movement , enjoy your BIF movement .
Hiding ?
Come alongwith your all 498A family at any palce at any location , face to face interaction will give the answer your question who is criminal .

By the way till date how much money had been earned by doing such legal terrorism and hide behind the word dowry ?

"The wives, who drive their husbands to suicide go scot-free completely and no one cares about the justice for the dead man."

Sumanth , not only husbands , they kill the child , before they see the light of this world and also get scot free .

Great India and great women empowerment , they even does not ready to instruction of the Supreme court order to Stop LEGAL TERRORISM IN INDIA .
And I think all the Indian men had allready lost thier body parts , as learned to became a Bakra in the hand of thier wives .

They just have one option , cross the finger and spend time in drunk bar to celebrate thier pain of loss of a child .

"Proxy Murders of men by women is a figure between 1000 to 5000 every year."

Sumanth , this is not called a murder , this is called to show the great love towards your lover !

Happy ASH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saturday, April 08, 2006
President of Indian Acknowledges the SIF

Ash your half truth will not be acknowledged as the whole world know waht President says , As not only you , a lot of other people also present there .

Who was not prest , can see the link .

http://gender-indian.blogspot.com/

Yes Mr. Sumant
You have truly represent the situation of dowery and related prob with statistics. No one is interested in husband and his prob. A lot of hungama is being created is some thing happened to wife.
A increase number of fales dowery cases are on rise.If not controled, day is not far when men will stop marring

Vinay kumar

Aaman - How could you allow this fart-ass to post here? Didn't we all get enough of the SIF bullshit thru their spaming activities. Plus this dude in no way is offering a different and new view point...just repeating what he and his buddies wrote in their worthless spam comments.

You or anyone can rebut the arguments presented, but we do not censor out opinions or authors as long as the articles are written well

Aaman, my humble suggestion - maybe you can give the SIF crowd a little ghetto of their own where they can support each other's nonsensical comments and not torture us with their recycled spam ;)

Comments and counter-comments should be directly adressed to the story and not the writer, jsut like we want them to be. A shitty story is a shitty story and if we cannot call a shitty story a shitty story, then we lose the ability to speak out on other topics. As South Park recently noted, you censor one episode because the Muslims won't like it, pretty soon, the Catholics will object, then the Raelians, then the Democrats, and the show will be cancelled.

I agree, though, that repeating falsehoods does not make them true.

Repeat them long enough and some might start accepting the statements to be valid. Point taken though freedom of speech and all that.

This post is about "myths and reality" of dowry death numbers.

This story is not about the "menace of dowry".

By the way, Madhu Kishwar has gone on record saying she is not a feminist and she is a women's rights activist.

We in SIF, believe "slightly Feminists", Women Organisations, Media and movies are "responsible" for propagation of dowry. In fact, educated girls make sure that her father gives her a lot of dowry as an investment for her future lifestyle.

In another post, I will show the root causes of dowry and also where the Govt, women organisations have failed in last 25 years that dowry still exists in India. I will also give some very simple and practical solutions to eradicate dowry in next 5 years.

I myself know cases where men have taken huge dowry and are leading "Happily Ever After" married lives.

Feminists have collected huge funds to fight against this social evil. They have eaten away all that money. Till today, there are no "dowry prohibition officers(DPO)" at district levels even though it was recommended during amendment of dowry laws some 20 years back. May I know why?

Except SIF group of NGOs, I do not think if anyone else is fighting for appointment of Dowry Prohibition Officers. In the meantime, feminists have moved to more greener pastures to collect more funds. This include "date rape", "female foeticide" etc. We have enough data to show that feminists are in fact indulging in female foeticide (in front of Camera) and yet preaching against it in public forums. Now, they want more money from "various foundations" in US and Europe.


So far as, President APJ Abdul Kalam is concerned, we know what he has said. He must have got more than 2000 mails in last one year alone from various members against Legal Terrorism, "Whole Sale Licence" to jail old people and killing of unborn children.

Ash:

I know you are a man. You are a sleeper inside SIF Yahoogroup. You are the same guy whose sister has filed a 498a against her husband and you are pissed off by SIF because you know that SIF is the medicine against the unscrulupous.

Why are you sleeping inside SIF. May be you also want protection from SIF.

You refered to President's comments, can you please let us know, where this conference was held, what was the conference title and exactly at what time the president arrived there? Can you please let us know, the name of the auditorium,where he delivered the address and also the important govt office complex very near to the venue?

SIF's design is based on fault tolerance architecture and unlike other NGOs, SIF is resilient enough to ward off any attacks and backstabbing by sleepers inside. In fact, we invite feminazies to sleep inside SIF. They will not be able to do anything as we are not greedy like feminist organisations, who can sell their souls for money.

Propaganda Minister Goebbels said,"Tell a lie hundred times and it becomes truth."

In reality, Goebbels never told lies. He, like feminists, only told "half truths", which are much more dangerous than lies.

How does anyone safeguard oneself from propaganda (by anybody)?

Keep an open mind, conduct investigation and keep challenging even your own conclusions again and again.

That topic is known as "altering mental models" as coined by Peter Senge.

things i don't understand and refuse to understand

forgetting biblical injunctions this world is a few million years old...and it is reputedly years since we have supposed to descended from the trees

and started walking on two hind legs...i don't believe I said hind....hmmmm so are my hands fore-legs?...any scholars here?

the morning cuppa must be bad ... why do i get these bad vibes?...hain ji?...koi bataiye ga humain?...now that is a royal mix up;)

so hit me...oh i like it ...ah...can you hit me again?...ah;)

so...like ah men...and women too have been like dying since time immemorial...so like what?....like any actuary has dug up any data on them old skeletons?....

hmm...this Neanderthal was done in by a mad bull...yes , yes like cows are not the only ones that can be mad, eh?

and that alaskan skeleton they thawed the other day...like he was hugged by a bear ...like very tightly...

and the somalian skeleton...like he died of hunger way back...way, way back....

and the ones in moen jo daro...like you know I am kidding like? .. right...they did not find any skeletons there....toldya am joking like...but really what happened to the dead in moen jo daro...like can someone tell me...now there is a gold mine for the ancient sif....like if they had the time to reflect upon like these like issues/ hain ji?

Ok..like have to go now....like there is this good lookin' meeting here...like i've a meeting coming up...like ignore good lookin'...just a regular meetin'...so will continue with this later like ...yeah?

helpful hint for like guys mostly and gals too who most likely are to encounter difficulties comprehending this look up any one of the following:

abracadabra, artifice, cant, chant, charm, cheating, chicanery, conjuring, deceit, deception, delusion, flimflam, fraud, gibberish, gobbledegook, hoax, humbug, imposture, incantation, jargon, juggling, legerdemain, magic, mumbo-jumbo, mummery, nonsense, open-sesame, rigmarole, spell, swindle, trick, trickery, argot, balderdash, banality, bombast, bunk, buzzwords, cliché, colloquialism, commonplace term, doublespeak, drivel, fustian, gibberish, hackneyed term, idiom, insipidity, jive, jive talk, language, lexicon, lingo, mumbo jumbo, neologism, newspeak, nonsense, overused term, palaver, parlance, patois, patter, rigmarole, shoptalk, slang, slanguage, speech, stale language, street talk, tongue, trite language, twaddle, usage, vernacular, vocabulary, weasel words

Thank you and Bye.

Thanks for providing stats that lead to your own blogs et al.

Your employees do a good job in writing comments and agreeing with you, good job, well done, keep it up, fantastic, wonderful, we all agree, you have opened our eyes, where we would have been without you. you saved us.

Keep repeating , lets see how many people change their views. In fact I feel sorry for them who join you people, they might just loose their life.

Sumanth, hopefully you will write about other topics too, not related to this theme

Yes Aaman, I will keep my promise.

to anon,

why frustration guys?? keep arguing..

Some people really shocked to see the reality , that the sucide statstics tell the opposite story of what Feminist and media says .

This coment section it self proves , the biased and blind eye of those "Legal Terrorist "

Sumanth , still I am disappointed with your article , as you have not mentioned :-

1. How many crime like sucided happened due to another women .
2. When more than 40000 women sucided , why we fight for only like 5 to 7 thousands wives ?

Does wife means only a wives ?

3. How many wives put the fire on thier own body by themself and husabnd tried her best to save her life , just to trouble and make smooth way for thier parents and brothers easy way for earning the money .
4. How wives consider thier husabnd as a Golden eggs , and some time cut the belly , as they can't wait till the egg comes out .

Or

You also had been became slightly , Bakra , by feminist bribe offer , and given some discount to them ?

When ever the movement of exposing of feminist legal terrorism occur , the principal applied is exposed .

Some one says to me that Some lady like Sakshi .. is a resonable lady , which i refused to accept , the coment section can give the answer , what she is ?

Foul language is not only men's property , women also have the equal right to use that ?

Am I right ?

Forget about men sucided for a moment , as they deserve to be kill like a Bakra or chiken and no symtahy or any justic for that .

"Aaman - How could you allow this fart-ass to post here? Didn't we all get enough of the SIF bullshit thru their spaming activities. Plus this dude in no way is offering a different and new view point...just repeating what he and his buddies wrote in their worthless spam comments."

Really I love it ....

Amman , the type of word used by your so called gentel women , when we started our voice one years back that was 10000 times harsher than this .

You got some discount , but be ready , the habit does not change too much , only some time they take the mask of a Modern .... sorry toady i promise to my mum , no bad words to any bad women .

"In fact, we invite feminazies to sleep inside SIF. They will not be able to do anything as we are not greedy like feminist organisations, who can sell their souls for money."

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Sumanth , i just rember those days , when our core group used to discuss , let make this yahoogroups closed , I strongly opposed and fight with every one , as we want let all those terroist come there as a sleeping members , and get the real medicine for doing the legal terrorism .

It seems , SIF in right dircetion from that objectives no. 5 and 6 :-
) Daughter-in-laws mentally and physically harassing old, sick in-
laws and not providing them with proper food and healthcare.

6) We fight against NGOs/feminists who support jailing of old and
sick innocent people without investigations under section 498a.

Yes president knows few of SIF guys name very well and allredy the police investigation done for thier case and some volenter able to save thier child to got killed , not only that a lot of DCP also today save gurd those poster pasted in thier Police Station for SIF voice and tears off those BIF posters.

Let them come out openely , any 498a family open face to face interaction , will be exposed , how they itself say two types of words , one in 498A FIR and another version in Maintance and Allomoney petition .

"Oohhhh you SIF men crack my crack ten inches wide!"

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For this SIF not required my dear , BIF are allready done that , and the maza is "you will never ever able to feel the same also ..waht a great feeling ,enjoy it ?

Check this , you will really enjoy , and 100% grantee , no pain only entertaiment for you:-http://www.indiatalking.com/blog/swarup/1326/
Let wait and watch, how Indian women start begging in Delhi- NH4 for a men forget the marriage, for a live together, for a part time father for their child!!!!!!
Legal first wife is likely to be cheated - Proposed Domestic Violence Bill !!

So Indian Men, get up and prepared to go to jail, Indian jail will be a Picnic Spot... As long back said by Nishant and for that a free Gate pass for your whole family will be available the moment you get married!!!

Another Step to Kill the Institution of Indian Marriage System - Part -2

"Keep repeating , lets see how many people change their views. In fact I feel sorry for them who join you people, they might just loose their life."

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Yes my dear one years back it was like that only , "they used to join after loose thier life , just check , now a days , people join before loose thier life !!!!"

Chose your self what you want SIF or BIF , both the option are available , no one force to accept or putting gun in your hed to vote for SIF or BIF , this India my dear , total freedom ..

At least Internate techonology , does not give that option .

Once again today promise , no bad words for bad people ... today is your turn , i love personnel attack , come on my dear , today is your day !!!

Shamu , betaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Blind hoooooo gayaaaaaaa

Im all for sleeper cells within a spam organisation.

Ahhh....the day women demand part time lovers or polyandry would be the day I will give up my shorts for tighty whites...

To Ash,

your quote:

"Or is the basis of data those criminals in sif who are hiding in there to protect themsleves?
"

my answer:
"you are a criminal", no doubt about it.

my opinion to desicritics:
Delete contents provided by this person pointing as criminals, then delete my comment

To Aaman,
quoted as "You or anyone can rebut the arguments presented, but we do not censor out opinions or authors as long as the articles are written well"

Great individual thought. Appreciate your equilibriant thoughts...

opinions are what society lives in...

To Aaman,

Tony quoted above "Repeat them long enough and some might start accepting the statements to be valid."

This is the CONCERN which is causing many commentators(either feminists or gender biased) here and calling SIF opinions and ideas or suggestions in thier tone as SPAM.

Sreedharan, there are members in your group who are trolling the site with the same material again and again without adding any new insight or solution to the problem at hand. They live under the false assumption that if they are loud enough people will listen to them.

Instead they are being shunted, mocked and ignored and it is their own fault. I am saying it again they are alienating the very people who are on your side to begin with.

No one here is pro the law you are fighting against but we are against being SPAMED by the same shit again and again.

Sumanth is doing a good job of putting forward the views of SIF and I hope your other commentaters would learn to be a little more civil and coherent in their conversation like him.

Well said, Tony!

Sif

Do not send I repeat do not send spam mails to us reporters. Your email dated 21st april from sachit is one such email that can speak volumes of your invasion & callousness.

Do not send I repeat do not send spam mails to us reporters. Your email dated 21st april from sachit including this link is one such email that can speak volumes of your invasion & callousness.

We are already subjected to spam from swarup or some guy who needs to take lessons in school.
The emails you send are unwarranted , filled with virus and vulgar subject lines inclusive of porn. We would like to avoid spam & utter junk filled in your emails.
We do some real reporting work and can make our own efforts.

Thank You for your help.

I do not understand..... Not agreeing to one's point of view cannot be termed as spam??
Well, should we say the media has been spamming the Indian public with huge load of spam when media has been publishing the baised and unverified stories with fault statistics about dowry/death and 'abla naari'????

- Satya

Satya

Dare you sound innocent

Spamming is sending vulgar porn emails to yahoo groups with dirty stuff inside, including virus.
I hope the defination is clear to you now kiddo.

Regarding newspapers-I disagree,one chooses to go out to buy newspaper. Newspaper does not come to you. I know I can block emails..but how many, you ppl send from so many ids.

Come and join the BharatMata yahoo group...we will show you.

To know about the Misuse of Law by Wive's read on...

A Report on 498a:
http://www.498a.org/contents/publicity/498aReport.pdf
& A booklet prepared for Ministry of Overseas Indian Affairs w.r.t Marriage to Indians Overseas
http://www.498a.org/contents/publicity/moiaBooklet.pdf

False Harassment and cruelty cases are rampant among Overeseas indians as well as the ones in India.
Gokul

BM,
Porno mails are due to recently spread virus affecting most of the internet users having yahoogroups membership. The mails are sent automatically without the knowledge of the sender. Don't put the blame on us for the fault of Bill Gates.

Reporter
Reporter I have allready told you the mail you term as Spam is Life saving medicen for a lot of mother and sister .

Every day i also got more then 100 mail form your friends in the name of News update ? Have you seen any time i have ask to stop that ?

If i do not like just clik the smap button or delete it , thats all .

Further , in every email , there is a option to clik the samp , you can very well do that .

By the way , what do you mean a reporter ?

having all the whole sale free lincence whatever you want , rest of the nation should follow you ?

If you cn;t digest the truth , better leave the job and do some thing which suits you , like legal terrorism .. okkk

Do not disgrade the word reporter , by your stupid activity , a lot of reporter egerly waits for such reports and then act also , like Star news , ajj talk , Zee also , off course the bribe system works in the news channel like NDTV , as Bindra Karte is the sister in law of Prony Roy , not in internate .

Tony

with reference to your coment , i would like to say some thing new for you , as you feel SIf does "SPAM ".

This I am saying at a Age of 62 years .

One day a young woman came home from a date, rather sad. She told her Mother -
"Mom, my boy friend just proposed to me an hour ago."

"Then why are you so sad?" her Mother asked.

"Well, he also told me that he was an atheist. Mom, he doesn't even believe
that hell exists!"

Her mother replied, "Honey, marry him anyway. Between the two of us, we will
show him how wrong he really is."

I have observed your starting coments which are not less "SPAMP " as per your logic of " SPAMP" techonology .

Yawn...I say it as I see it....the trolls no longer live under the bridge

X at Sea

X woke up on a ship.
Seems to be the only one
who doesn't know what for. Or where.
But late at night X lies awake.
Feels the steady pulse propelling
X the Silly, X the Sane,
X the Craven, X the Brave,
and all the other X's
through the dark.

The others say, Relax. Enjoy.
They skim the surface: never ask
what depths there are to plumb,
cannot fathom where the little
bubble rides from--
or why it tries so hard to break
the holy law of gravity,
climbing blindly upward
toward the light.


Copyright © 2006 Tom Hansen All rights reserved
from Falling to Earth
BOA Editions, LTD.

Tony
Last 62 years was under the bridge , no more now .
Feminist have done enough damage to our human life , western feminist getting thier due return now the turn the indian feminist , if they do not take care and do such legal terrorism , I do not know , waht will be the reaction .

Every thing have a limit ,truth can't be hide too long .

Sumanth
One think I can grantee to you , that you belongs close to a very great feminist in your life , otherwise , you should not have so much confidence to expose thier hiden activity .
More than 20000 Indian husabnd end thier life for sowry harrasement , but there is no 304S , Why ?

As if we go back to history , to kill the evil , god send some evil through those evil family only to end thier family's Goondaraj .

Posions kills Posions , dimond cut dimond .

At last Indian men learning and started for a Human life , western men had learned the same long back .

Mr.Reporter,

What do you journos think you to be?

I do know the amount of porno that comes in various supplements in a prominent Newspaper. You journos publish that stuff for everyone(including children). People are seething with anger against these newspapers and their journalists.

Stop "trial by Media" and stop defaming people.

Journalists like you must get same kind of stuff everyday. What you give to others is what you should get.

Nicotiana Alata*

It is not for nothing that I dream,
sit cross legged and breathe:
rising, falling, falling, rising.

We all rise up and fall.
We rise up again and reach
with skinned knees and souls,
with turned backs.
Yet there are soft palms,
fleshy arms that round out psalms.

It is not for nothing that I awaken,
look deep into day - the lifting of the sun:
dawn, darkness, darkness, dawn.

The light touches us here;
the darkness can drown us.
There are gasps for air
and sun burns.
Yet there are abundant blooms:
ivory green nicotiana alata at midnight.

Her scent and limbs wrapped warm
in glorious blossom.
She flowers in the starlight.
I fall for her and rise.

It is not for nothing that I dream.
It is not for nothing that I awaken.
It is for this, for this.

* a flower like raat-ki-rani - t

Margaret James

Margaret James is a single mother of two, an executive recruiter, and a college student pursuing a degree in comparative religions. She resides in the Pacific Northwest where she tries to convince naysayers that during the gray winter months the sun's light really does rise from the ground. She has had poetry published in Seeker Magazine, The Poets Cut, Subjective Substance, and in the 2006 Winter/Spring Issue of MindFire.

Even journos are not spared???

ooohhh my goodness

Anon

I can understand your fustration , because not all the people are blind like you , my dear hiding host!!!! For a ,ot of people this are life saving medicine !!

Add further to your fustration , check this .
Aamman , I do not know , how you will react , but the discussion of Deshi critics had been published in a lot of web sites .

The article Published in :-
like :-
Why Wives Hate to use the Word Couple ?

The best comment I have seen in the whole Blog
http://desicritics.org/2006/03/21/015308.php
When there was a comment by "Anushka"
"If every married man would be considerate enough only to be honest and balance rightly, none of the marriages would be ending in a divorce or bitter court battles. "

http://presstrust.com/article440239.html

http://www.123youth.com/article440239.html

lot more are there ...

Article "Hell Hath no fury" outlines how the battle lines are getting drawn between feminist organisations including communist AIDWA (which claims to have 50lac members) and small, but dynamic groups like SIF with support from higher judiciary.

After Love Sara Teasdale

There is no magic any more,
We meet as other people do,
You work no miracle for me
Nor I for you.
You were the wind and I the sea--
There is no splendor any more,
I have grown listless as the pool
Beside the shore.
But tho' the pool is safe from storm
And from the tide has found surcease,
It grows more bitter than the sea,
For all its peace.

www0.un.org/womenwatch/daw/egm/ vaw-gp-2005/docs/experts/kishwar.dowry.pdf

pls. file IPC 498a on such husbands. That is the only solution. It worked wonderfully for me.

IPC 498a is a weapon not only to handle husband but also whole family.

Police (or women cell) are always ready to take 498a case easily as it also benefits them a lot too.

Remember there is nothing to loose even if complaint is false. Many women are living and rich by filing 498a on such husbands.

[Edited - Personal info is not tolerated]

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That IP above has been banned - and comments are being cleaned up.

Whats happening here ? Lot of heated comments...

I agree with the article by the way , it brings out painful memories from my childhood days. Lot of women misuse the stringent dowry laws we have in India. Speaking from personal family experience , 10 years ago my uncle - a top notch architect who had by then (at the age of 30) established a solid reputation for himself ,married a really evil woman. She was beautiful and highly qualified , but but evil by character. First thing she set to do was to get rid of my grandmother (her mother-in-law). It is shameful the way she got about her 'mission'. My grandmother was the nicest lady you can imagine who brought up her 3 children - 2 daughters (including my mom) and a son very well , educated them , saw to it that they were well settled , even after losing her husband at a young age.

My evil aunt taunted my granmother day in and day out - verbally abused her in every way. It is shameful really. She accused my grandmother of having incestious feelings for her son. That was too much for my poor grandmother - a religious old fasioned lady. She immediately left her own house and came over to live with us.

It was terrible for my uncle - who till then was a rising star in architecture.....the stress was too much. He asked for divorce and my aunt threatened to commit suicide and hold him responsible. When my mom went over to reason with her , she along with her parents threatened that she would put our entire family in jail - on dowry harassment charges. It was hell. She wouldn't let my uncle have any contact with the rest of the family. Finally unable to bear her constant nagging and emotional torture , my uncle commited suicide at the age of 32. My grandmother died of shock.

My ex-aunt moved on and I understand remarried another guy.

I am sure some of the folks here will accuse me of belonging to what seems to be a hated group here - 'SIF' or 'Save Indian Family'....but believe it or not , I am not. I only heard of this group today , and googled it while reading the comments on this very article.

I dont think we can generalise either men or women as evil. Nobody has a monopoly on that. Sometimes the mother-in-law is the victim , and on many occasions the mother-in-law is the culprit. Same goes for the daughter-in-law.

I think it is all a very complicated issue - marriage is complicated and I dont know if there is any solution.

Even if SIF and its tactics are hated, the idea is only to be visible so as to be of help when someone needs it. Non-users may hate, but thats of no consequence to SIF, we need the awareness to spread.

Uncle, one think I do not understand if this LAW are so good to protect the women, then why our goverment does not advertise the same like 304B and 498A, in the all news channel, the way we see- " Give mother milk to your child", there is no replacement of mother milk..etc.

What is this indicates? Does our aunties does not know that, so that we have to teach those thing thorugh TV news channels?

Wonder, when our uncels and aunties, will understand this is not a war between Men vs Women, this is a war Criminal vs Innocent.
Law can't be in some assumption and the logic should not be that as we can't punish criminals so let amke some LAW to send to jail some innocent with out any investigation, and hope that criminals will get affrid and stop thier criminal activity.

I guess this is a subject which has been "beaten to death" in India, by the media and even by the government itself. So this post is not so much about dowry, as it is about "good" and "bad" with respect to dowry. Good and bad dowry? What is good about dowry, you may ask. Well, to some of us it is very evident that dowry is a bad practice and it must be done away with. We cannot even imagine that someone would think of it as "good".

Santanu,

What an analysis ?

Looks like you do not want to give the dowry problem a proper burial.

We know so much good and bad about terrorism and terrorists.

Does that give anyone licence to pick any innocent from the street and accusing him/her of being a terrorist?

Same way, just because dowry is bad, that does not mean any tom, dick or harry is picked up and thrown into prison without any evidence.

The present laws encourage dowry taking in stead of discouraging it. It will take quite sometime for you to understand how?

Hey Ram!!! After My Foot...

To shut the mouth of SIF, auntie/pimps required so much effort, that instead of Word, prefers to post Viagra Ads..

Heee..Heee.. my dearest aunites, no use of your such ads, as our uncles allready in the SIF thinking and for that No Viagra will work.. grantee.

Because they have understood..

"A women" does not mean a role of wife only.The real meeaning of "A Women" are some thing different than what you tried to teach them.

Sumanth uncle, just see what this Anjali Singh Jaiswal auntie says in Times of India.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1539997,curpg-1.cms

" Show me the money, hubby!"

I think she had became now a full phased dadi and burnt her own hand and then relise the 21st century reality.

"Says Ranjana Dixit, advocate and president of the American Library Bar Association (Family Courts), "A large number of cases coming to us are of women seeking maintenance despite not being entitled to the same.

The law clearly states that if a woman is economically independent, she cannot demand financial help from her husband. But that does not deter women from making quick money through marital disputes.

With marriage laws titled in the women's favour, it's not difficult either. An added advantage is the ignorance of the husband and his family about their own rights."...

Anjali Singh Jaiswal does not need ...so try in some other place.

Request to women readers:

Please appreciate it is not only men who are affected by 498a / Domestic Violence Act, tomorrow a daughter-in-law with High Ego can falsely implicate you also. For every 498a case, at least two women (mother & Sister) were sent behind bars. Records show that in many cases distant relations, friends, became victim
of 498a case and were jailed. It is not a gender war. It is WRONG LAW, and we must raise our voice against it. Culprits must be punished. Dowry system and Domestic Violence must be eradicated, as these are evils of society.

Firstly, Request to Author to please delete those spam comments at the top.
Secondly,
I am flabbergasted at the extent of bias and shallowness of thoughts demonstrated by some women commentators here.
How are they not even listening to accept the possibility of the fact that 498A can not be misused. The strong plausible cause can be that they themselves have in misused or been part of misuse of 498A.

Forget 498A for a moment.

I thought spamming was something not to be found in mature people. I find a lot of comments by women /an favour of women here nothing short of spams and ego satisfaction. Strange to find that some of these ladies are ones who just can not accept others view point. I thought ladies were first persons to listen to a clam and amicable manner.

Rather than systematically arguing point on point, they seem to be rejecting an insightful article like this without even reading it through.
Sorry to say, but I am disappointed at some of these self proclaimed feminists who have commented at this blog. From what it looks like they seem to be some gang/goons threatening the moderator to shut off publishing these articles. Hey please, come of it...if you do not like please go elsewhere and create you own thoughts and let people judge you on that, do not spam here.
It is sorry for some responsible people here in DC who claim to reject spamming to be a defaulters here.
I am disappointed at the mediocrity of opinions raised by some feminists here.
Even bad is they way they choose to raise and immediately dismiss such a important issue.

On the author: You certainly have raised some vital points which need a lot of head scratching and self realizations from both men and women.
BTW, i am of the opinion that every sort of violence in any form and irrespective of gender should not be condoned and should be discouraged.
I do agree that sizeable mass of women in this liberal world, as a result of there new founded freedom, and brandishing to sane people(which include both men and women) their freedom like knives in hands of a kid.
I also would want to state that the actual liberalization in women is yet to come. Those are women who really need some of the provisions mentioned in 498A.But again i feel for one to use 498A you have to be aware, but if you are aware you certainly do not need 498A. 498A is thus self contradictory.

On The dowry note...I think dowry has to be expanded to a more general definition which should include any economical abuses committed by either gender on to the other. Again dowry is something very subjective and laws for/against it should be formulated with utmost caution keeping in mind the importance of institution of marriage.
The still feel the only way can be removed is by making women self dependent and aware. Of all the causes of dowry related atrocities, one of the important cause is the in-ability of girls parent in their upbringing of their child and their continuous indiscrimination towards their daughter. It is the duty and responsibility of every parent to make their child self sufficient environment aware and to be able to make important decisions in this world. Once these parents realize their responsibilities, the dowry atrocities will die its natural death.498A is like trying to kill symptoms than the actual disease.

Hi Sumanth,
Was busy otherwise, I got a chance to read Madhu Kishwar article. What a informative and beautiful piece of article has it been. Feminists should feel ashamed at the way they have portrayed dowry and made countless honest men/women suffer behind bars because of this inhuman dowry act.
Feel like removing balls of Brenda Karat who actually brought this act. Guess what, I can not, because "it" does not have any. I hate to call "it" a human being.

I just do not know, who the hell are the useless buggers who elect such people and who the hell are the people who agree to them for these laws. Any sensible person will definitely throw them out at the first sight.
Today having read the article, I realize a new low our politicians have reached.
It really makes me weep for all those people who went under the ignominy of 498a for no fault of others. I mean I know, I can successfully fight out a false 498a if i am implicated against, because i have the awareness, knowledge, the money for it and but what would have happened to all those countless families( x 2 - delta, because I think effectively speaking both boy and girl's family suffer eventually) who have suffered at the hands of this act for more than last 2 decades and just because of likes of people like "Brinda Karat". She has probably killed and destroyed more people/families than Hitler.

I just just hate these bloody buffoons acting as politicians. Hey Feminists on this blog, if you have even an ounce of consciousness in you, please join hands to eradicate this Disease #498. See the solutions of eradicating dowry for yourself at the end of "Madhu Kishwar"'s article.

I just do not realise how low and cunning some women can aspire to. I mean they do not blame their parents for mistreating them and discriminating against them. Why would they, because they have husband and family to whip na?
What a shameful act for the women who connive to using 498A?
Feminists/pro 498A people please read the article thoroughly first before, if ever you want to comment on my comment.

Well done "Madhu Kishwar" And
Congratulations Sumanth!!!.

BTW, does anybody know who "Nisha Sharma" (Noida ???) eventually got married to? I want know what that guy feels now.

Sumanth , we are with you , go ahead
http://www.asianage.com/viewarticle.asp?newsid=241159

The Asianage (8/14/2006 12:58:00 AM)

Husbands unite to combat wives' allegations of cruelty
Mumbai, Aug. 13: From serving 20 days in jail to living in fear of being arrested, the cases may differ, but the story remains the same for the 50 men who met on Sunday to discuss harassment by their wives under the anti-dowry laws.
Under the banner of Save Indian Family Foundation, the men met to discuss their experiences with their divorced wives and to spread greater awareness about the misuse of the Section 498(a) of the IPC which deals with cruelty by the husband towards his wife.
Dinesh Chaturvedi (name changed) spent 20 days in jail in Madhya Pradesh when his wife accused him and his family of demanding dowry from her.
"We got married in 2003 in Bhopal where her father and brother are famous lawyers. However, we constantly had quarrels at home since she felt I was not earning enough and wanted us to move out of my parents house in Mumbai. She had been living away from me in Bhopal for almost a year, after which she filed a complaint against me and my family, alleging that we had been torturing her for dowry," said Dinesh.
He was then arrested along with his family members and was taken from Mumbai to Bhopal.
However, he was able to secure bail from the Bhopal high court later.
In another case, Rudolph D'Souza, who has been attending court proceedings for the last 7 years, after his wife filed a complaint against him alleging mistreatment, said, "We split up on account of her adultery and she then promptly filed a complaint of harassment against me due to which I have not been able to see my son for the last 7 years."
Moreover, since the case is still pending at the Vasai court he is forced to make trips from his workplace in Kuwait to India every time he has to attend the court proceedings.
"I have to spend approximately Rs 40,000 per trip and my former wife has not even appeared before the court once, on account of which my case just drags on," said Mr D'souza.
A senior citizen, Mr J. Sharma, said that his daughter-in-law has misused the law to harass them. "She was at our house only for 40 days after which she left and three years later she filed a case against my son and others alleging ill treatment. She does not want to acknowledge the marriage but she still does not grant my son a divorce," said Mr Sharma.

Read this the real story which had been twisted by media.
Save Institution Of Marriage • Monday, August 21, 2006 - "I have killed my
Nagin wife. Put me behind bars." *"I have killed my Nagin wife. Put me
behind bars."*
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40-year-old Swapan Biswas, an employee of State Bank of India's Jadavpur
branch, married Aparna (28) early last year. But soon after his marriage, he
came to know that She prefers to have sex with her boy Friends instead of
with her Husbands.

Sever time Swapan request her , wht is the problem? If she does not like to
have sex to his Husabnd , why she got married and spoiled his Life ?

Swapan says , after marriage in the last four month he had sex with his wife
only tiwice.

He had explained the situation to her wife's family several time , but he
only get abused from them and threating that he should just keep mum and one
day she will cahange.

Now , last month sudeenly , Aparna said she is pregent and want to abort the
child !!!

Swapan totally shocked and asked how she can be pregent , when he had not
have any sex in last three month ?

Aparna started to hit her stomack and repetedely says , now you see waht the
hell I can do to you and your whole family by 498A and other IPC LAW.

In this country no one will belive your alligation and I will Put all of you
behind the bar along with your sister and mother.

Swapan totally shocked , is this called Institution of marriage ?

His own wife sleeping with other part time boy frineds and refused to sleep
with him , but in front of LAW he will be punished !!!

Not only he , along with him his mother and sister also to be punihsed as he
can't accept her wife's whole sale free adultarate relationshp.

Legal justice system aginst Swapan. Aparna do the adultrate and pregent by
her boy frined , but still Law will Punsih him only, if he does not dance as
per Aparna's instructions.

Socail Justice against Swapan. No media will publish his story as they are
scared by all the Terrorist Women orginasations , if they can break the
Chair of Delhi Court Judges and get scot free , what they can do with Media
office.

We fell sorry for those Jurnalist in the Media, they can't expose a bad
women of our society.

Now, what option left for Swapan ?

For a moment he thought , he will prefer to sucide , but suddenly he
realised if he sucide , this devoted Nagin will bite furter innocent people
in the name of "wife".

Result and evidence :"I have killed my Nagin wife. Put me behind bars."

Every year more than 50,000 husabnds family are suffering in the Hand of
such devoted women who does not respect the Institution of marrige , misuse
the 498A and other IPC LAW to hide thier own crime and those husabnds family
just suffering silently. Last year more than 22000 husabnds had sucided as
they can't tolerate the continouse Nagging and assult by thier wives , but
no wives had been put behind the bar.

Where as less 7000 wives made sucided and each and every case not only
Husabnd, all his age old parents, his sister , his sister's husabnds and
child also send behind the bar !!!!

Wonder why such double standared in Indian LAW and society!!!

I am not saying that what Swapan had done is right and every husabnd should
follow the same , but the question is if a *"Husabnd" refused to have a
Legal and social Justice* and *in India continue this "Legal Terrorism " in
the form of threat and misuse of 498A , the time will not be too far when
millions of Swapan will be born in this country.*

Today Slowly Indian Men are coming out from Modern Ravan mind set to Modern
Laxman mind set and say :

*" If our Goverment does not give us the legal justice, if our society does
not give us social justice , at least we can ensure that what ever happened
to me should not happen to others. A devoted Nagin should not be allowed to
go scot free."*

Jai Hind , Inclub Jindabad....and ready to take the punishment hang to death
with smile and say

*"I have killed my Nagin wife. Put me behind bars."*

We have to decided we want*:*
**
*" Domestic Violence or Domestic Harmoney ?"*

Whatever may be he should not have kill his wife.
Killing wife is bad.

Vikram , you 100% right. But every one is not like us my dear.We prefer to kill ourself, but will never ever dream such action.

Because we still love our wife from college days, inspite thier all worng actvity and blindly support her without using our brain.

But if wife murders then we can make a movie called provoked

Not only movie provoke, we all should gather at India gate and break the Judges chair also , if any one try to point a finger to those Wives "who killed thier husabnd".. it happens only in india!!!

true. wives are bitches. husbands are angels. nay gods.

how about advertising with your money in all newspapers and telivision. you would be warning all those stupid men who want to get married.

like they say, happiness is not everything a man should get married.

and save the indian family from those bitches?

if u do not get married you do not have to take shit from those stupid women and commit suicides or contemplate killing them? and save yourselves from the blackmail from women about children, alimony etc. and especially no bitching on blogs. easy no? time is money no?

no marriage. no violence. happiness is in your hands.

long live happiness. and thank god for giving happiness in to our own hands. we are empowered.

ps: if u let me know in whose favor, i can send in a check for Rs. 1000 for the cause.

i am all for happiness.

sarve janaah sukhinobhavantu! om shantih, shantih, shantihi.

haaa.. so much fustration?
Yes Indian men still in 16th century mind set, the day they they will come in 21st century.. Pani ka pani and dhoodh ka dhoodh will get seperated.

Till the time just enjoy the legal terrorism in India and send every year thousabnds of age old parents behind the bar with out any investigation, thousabnds of husabnds should be killed or sucide and all thier wives will go scot free...

That is called women empowerment? Right?

ps: if u let me know in whose favor, i can send in a check for Rs. 1000 for the cause.
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To any 498a girls and their terroist orginasation, they need the more( money with taking any responsibility) beging in front of Police, Judges and media also, even in the blog also,
" as now a days they are shortage of money as 21st cnetury Indian husabnds taken the stands, that no money for doing the legal terrorism and a lot of corporate had stoped thier donation to those legal terrorist orginasation( BIF)."

my apologies, i see this space is for and by 'some' people. :)

Not any more. It was ....

If feminists and MCPs (disguised as Libertarians) do not stop their aggressive behaviour, its certain that at least 5000 women per year will get jailed for driving their husbands to suicide and this number will start growing every year. We will make sure to represent is as,"Crime against Men by Women increasing at rapid rate"

The resultant backlash will lead to a situation where men will start considering women nothing more than Commodity (as in US or Europe). Liberated females will start having sex from an age of 13.

Now, feminists have no other way, but to go on backfoot. They are checkmates now.

How many days Media can hide the truth? As the SIF members increase in number, we will flood the cities with Hoarding about the true nature and deeds of women (all women).

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Balaji, you are at such an age that you can not shed your "women are always weak" attitudes. Most probably you have seen all women in your life who led weak lives. So, you want to empower all women in the whole world (by external means). But, you know, charity begins at home. Please start it at your home first.

By the way, I guess you are from Hyd. Can you please run an "Anti-Dowry" helpline of SIF from Hyderabad as the state of AP is the one which needs to be reformed first? As charity begings at home, I would expect you to give us (SIF) guys names of all the family members and relatives of yours who have taken or given dowry. If any, we will make sure 498a and DP act get applied on them and the trasformation of society can start from your family, your relatives, your neighbourhood and your city.
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Do not worry gorky, I am planning to file some RCR against those wives of man like Balaji.
Then you see the ..

Dear 'a indian husband' - if you are referring to yours faithfully as Balaji, i do not have wives sir, yes i am married and have a wife.

and pray what is RCR?

and dear sumanth

thanks for the offer. my plate is more than full. in running various helplines. and thanks for the suggestion about charity begins at home - yes it does. the women in my life are fairly empowered.

and thanks for the polite help - i did have a brush with 498a and police. as you rightly guessed i am at an age where probably've seen enough to understand. to differentiate between bad persons and bad personal experiences. understand enough not to generalize personal experiences to the whole world, and not to make sweeping conclusions. thanks for the wisdom.

and if your offer of help is a threat - shall be dealt with accordingly :)

and does it help your cause that i did not take any dowry except requesting my parents-in-law that when they feel like donating/selling their library that i should be considered among potential donees or potential buyers :) equal opportunity eh?

Dear balaji as you say "yes i am married and have a wife"..agreed, no dispute.

Dispute is that does not grantee that I am not her another husabnd as per LAW....

When you will get the RCR copy , you will understand.

If any women can claim with out any real marriage function or any registeration certificate that I am her husabnd, why I can't calim to any women that she is not my wife?
Why such double standarad?
Interesting naaa...

Or society and LAW will say as I have done a marrige to a women without any dowry article or any hi fi marriage ceromoney function... she is not my legal wife?

You may have proof of all those dowry article and marriage CD of you marriage , I do not have.

But does that mean that she is not my wife?

Your comment no 77 as you said balaji,

"true. wives are bitches. husbands are angels. nay gods."

Little correction,
"True. Those wives file false 498a are worse than bitches. As a real bitches does not send your age old parents behind the bar for earning the money. They use thier own body and provide service."
Regarding those husabnds are far far better than angels, as they was the supper fool of this world instead of marrying a real bitches, married worse than that.

i sincerely do not understand sirji.

do i understand that you want to claim that you are the husband of my wife?

if so, pl do go ahead - a warning though she is not as polite as i am ;)

if it is true, my estimate of her choices might go down a li'l i guess.

btw i am not a fan of re-incarnation theories and fantasies.

BTW, Balaji...
1) Do you have a son...of marriageable age?
2) Does he wish to stay with you after marriage?

If answers to above two questions are correct, and if laws like 498A, DC Acts remain till the time your son gets married...Please come back and write your experience on this blog.
I am not saying all women are bad. If that were to say so, I would have to implicitly assume that my sister and my mother are bad, which is definitely not what I know.
All I believe is that laws like 498A and DV acts empowers girls to misuse them and make them obstinate and unwilling to adjust to new house, with new people in new environment.

As far as dowry is concerned, I hardly know of case where the issue has come up before divorce, irrespective of how modern the girl is. It comes up only when relation goes sour. It implies that inherently our society (including Girl's side) accepts the notion of dowry, but then when the relationship goes sour it is used as a means to settle personal vendetta.

BTW, In my case i have not taken a single pie and I am not implicated in 498A or dowry harassment case either. But what I can see from the way the laws are framed, it is very evident that they will certainly be misused if ever any relation goes sour for any reason what so ever. Only a saint lady or a foolish lady will let go waste her opportunity to misuse it...and you and me know well that women are hardly saint or foolish.
They (including your and my wife) are good only as long as relation is there?

Balaji,

You wrote:
"as you rightly guessed i am at an age where probably've seen enough to understand. to differentiate between bad persons and bad personal experiences. understand enough not to generalize personal experiences to the whole world, and not to make sweeping conclusions."

You are 100% correct. Noted advocate Flavia Agnes claims that she had some bad personal experiences in earlier 80s due to her husband. She is generalising those experiences in even today (after 24 years). We are inspired by this so called "great lady".

Based on your logic, even rape victims should not generalise their person experiences and keep quite.

Why are we generalising Saha Bano case or Babri Masjid case. All these are exceptions only. Is not it?

Noted Parliamentarian Shabana Azmi asserts 8 out of 10 husbands are violent to their wives. Its sure she is also generalising based on her own life.

The Karnataka state women's commission chairperson says,"we have terrorists in our homes."

Hope your great wisdom (related to generalisations) goes to these ladies as well who are of your age or even older.

After all, we young guys are fools and idiots that we waste our time talking against abortion and elder abuse in stead of womanising in Bangalore (just like the people of your generation with "easy jobs" did).

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Only unscrupulous bitches have rights to murder their husbands and go scot free.
Here, I am not generalising bases on my personal experience as I am still alive.
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Things have gone to an extreme and now its too late for feminists to do any damage control. Thousands of people are coming out to protest against injustices.

Statistics must be always presented in full and dowry deaths of both men and wome have to be presented. Otherwise, the entire data and conclusions are unscientific.

generalizations. will discount it.

as your ilk tries to legitimize and generalize the pain of a genuine few, so does flavia agnes. or shabana azmi. i have no personal fondness for them.

nice that 'we' are inspired by ms. agnes.

often they seem to be fighting issues like you do.

but as far as i know, except the educated woman and with supporting parents very few take recourse to law. or fight out the indignity or injustice meted to them.

i have to take your word about people my age in bangalore. and their 'escapades'. good for them. i have no clue about easy jobs. probably you do.

you still do not know my age and probably are guessing.

and if someone choses to be an 'idiot' or 'fool' i can only sympathize at the best.

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so do unscrupulous bastards who maim, kill and indignify their wives. and treat women with disdain. with male arrogance. access to market. incomes etc. and a general supportive social structure.
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the society is structured such that many women suffer shit from their husbands and families of procreation and live with indignity. by and large.

i have sympathized and tried to empathize with those men who have been at the wrong end of the stick thanks to 'bad' women who abused laws. i do not want to paint every one with the same tainted brush. and i do not resonate with 'hatred' mongering - of whatever type.

you are a partisan as much as u accuse of feminists.

a simple content analysis of these portals will tell somethings. and i do not see anything wrong with that. prakritim yaanti bhootani.. to each according to his nature, like the Gita says.

and something in me refuses to cow down or bow down to insinuations, subtle threats and innuendoes. spare me. they do not work. they never did.

and i despise people who live by threatining to advance their cause. or go shrill. however bloody 'legitimate' their cause is. such are no different from the lumpens. i have dealt with them and will do. however ugly it gets. one bloody life .. chose to live with dignity.

i am not a partisan to a narrow cause. men or women.

best.

Balaji, All the women( - delta) who ever will be audience to this blog will always take recourse to law and misuse it, if ever they felt the need to do so.
BTW, I am also aware that a lot of rural/remote area women do not take recourse to law.But if that is the fact, then why is there this law(s) in first place. If at all something really serious happens(for which there will always be some proof or the other), there are nuemerous ways to take care of those specific cases in our law.

If you think it was so easy to commit offence, then try snatching a toy from a child's hand in the middle of any town and you will probably remember it the rest of your life.


These laws are meant only and only to be abused . There is no way to get a good out from these laws. These laws are framed purely from feminists point of views. Do you think those women in rural village even know what a femenism is?

Balaji, your comment at 91 and your ignorence as you said:-( Please do not take it personnley.. it is just a case study and stupidity of Indian law maker)

"do i understand that you want to claim that you are the husband of my wife?"... 16th century mind set. Do not worry your wife will not be caught red handed, it it is not a crime as per Indian LAW, if she had a marrige before she married you.
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Yes this is the LAW of this Land. If a husabnd refuse to accept any dowry Items, as the same termed "Streedhan" and reverse dowry ( dowry from husband family) and also a Hi fi marriage function CD....

A Man can't prove that your wife is my first wife.
On the other hand your wife can prove any dam tom,dick or harry that he is her first or last husabnd..

Do not take it personnley, it is just a example!!

Now Indian men had been fooled by our law maker.

Any women can calim any men her husabnd, for that no evidence required. If he refuse a rape case will be filed.
But a man can calim any women his wife , only when he have the evidence of dowry article or sowry article .

That is the reson you must read the madhu Kishore article at least once.

"so do unscrupulous bastards who maim, kill and indignify their wives. and treat women with disdain. with male arrogance. access to market. incomes etc. and a general supportive social structure."
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Balji this perfectly suit people like you, never ever allow a women to marry as per her capability, instead of that force them to marry a Gunda or Underworld people ( as they pay you the money in cash..right?), as you accept that we can't punish the real criminal , so made this 498a to punihs tom,dick or harry and expect that the real criminal will fear and will stop the crime activity?

Check the stastics, waht is the crime before 498a and after 498a....

People like such mind set as described by you are the main criminal to kill our mother/sister/daughter and the real terrorist of India.

One had you say , dowry is our right in the form or Sowry and Streedhan and will never ever allow your own sister or daughter marry a guy as per her capability or income, you want free meall at your old age by purchasing a Golden duck in the form of NRI or Business man..

Balaji, answer sumanth question:

Only unscrupulous bitches have rights to murder their husbands and go scot free.
Here, I am not generalising bases on my personal experience as I am still alive.
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Why there is no 498B and 304C?

as per your situation described, for those husabnd allready 498A and 304B are there.

Why such double standard?

Why a wife should go scot free after drive thier Husabnd to suicide or murder?
Answer this first!!!!

"i am not a partisan to a narrow cause. men or women."

Balaji if so , then why you support such one sided LAW for women?

Let made 498a or Dv act applicable to all( who ever will do the crime will get the punishment) , who ever will do the crime let it be men or women , both should get equally treatment?

Why you want a whole sale free lincence? if wifes does not abuse thier husabnd , nothing will happen to them...is not that fair enough?

Your won logic proves behond resonable dought that , you do not want to give the punishment to the real criminal and will never allow a girl or boy to marry other in terms of own capability or own income. You want to force them to a realtionship to suffer.

That is the reality and as a result today girls parents prefers to became a Pimp and use thier own daughter as prostitutes.. earning money with out taking any responsibility...

Sumanth, today received a nice mail from one of our brother. Would like to reproduce here for your ready reference.

A Must read for all........

"I give you an example -
one socitey (many flats) has a pond where mosquitoes breed.
closest to pond, mosquitoes go to every house.

1. small chile in one such flat - "mommy mommy mosquito bit me".
Mommy blows air from mouth and "this will heal". again child says "mommy mommy it is not healing". so mommy gives any cream and
applies saying this will fix it and child is happy.

This is what is lot of member - 498a bitch bite you - you go to lawyer/sif (mommy) but still decide to apply cream (pay money and
settle) and happy.

2. now same mosquito bite elder child and he is more gets "kachua jalao machhar bhagao - the tortoise coil". he happy that no more
mosquito bite him till kachua coil lasts. every day he has to do this to protect him. this is the other members in group who are
smart enough to fight bitch and educate his family to not succumb to extortion.

3. DOES both these solution remove the source of mosquito - the pond??? No it does not. People in flats slightly far away happy that
mosquito will not come to them..but it does because others have started using mosquito repellant. This is the remaining people not
in group and unaware that 498a mosquito lurking outside to bite and these are people who dont know about 498a and all of us need to
educate.

Everyone happy with solution-patch. But dear all mosquito going to bite again maybe your brother, your cousin or son or yourself
again..so (1) and (2) not helping.

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I don't understand one thing. When these Women Organizations are so active in creating Legal Terrorists in the name of protecting women from their HUS-BAND and In-Laws with the introduction of fucking laws and ruining several lives in a family, Why not just try towards getting a BAN on the Marriages in India. This way everybody are protected and least effort too.
When someone wants sex, just pay and get it as much as one wants. Why Marriage ? Why Police Stations ?? Why Courts ??? Why to Harrass innocents
???

NO MARRAGE...NO CRUELTY....NO 498A.....NO D.V Act needed......NO CRIES.....NO JAILS....NO COURTS...NO DOWRY...NO SETTLEMENTS.... Just sit
your lifetime in your Parental home without marriage(NO LEGAL SEX) and Spend this time to do something real good for the country joining INDIAN ARMY.

In United States, Human is Human.... No Gender biased lifestyle...No Caste....Crime is Crime whoever it is... Whether it is Man or Woman OR
President of the country. Women and Men are equal everywhere.... from cleaning drainage to Working in the Army for their country.

In INDIA, Only educated married cruel women are more into these cheap tricks and cheap Laws that no human in the world accepts... Americans are laughing at INDIAN Legal System when I told them about 498A and D.V Act. and thinking that INDIA is a CHEAP and WORST country in the World for Marriages, except with the fact that it is making progress in I.T. (I AM NOT GOING TO STOP
AND I AM GOING TO TELL EVERY AMERICAN ABOUT THESE IMPROVED LAWS IN INDIA).

Let's make recommendations to include 498A and D.V Act. and other marriage related terrorism sections as part of 10th CLASS Syllabus SOCIAL subject.
This makes the students to start thinking about the consequences of marriage in India, and also makes the society start understanding which direction INDIA is going. I am now thinking that the Britisher's might have ruled us well than our corrupt & brainless politicians.

These days people are more career oriented with long term coachings, Engineering Degrees, H1B visas; After all of these, once they get into the
Marriage and realize all these sections at once with an option of NO BACK-OUT and NO RECOVERY. Also gifting Mother, Father, Sister and Brothers
with 498A, D.V Act. charges and jail.

INDIA is becoming worst country than TALIBAN's AFGANISTHAN... We should complaint to United States about this AFGANISTHAN with Legal Terrorism. I personally feel INDIA is a Legal Terrorist country from what I have experienced so far. When we are not able to save our Parents and other Family members from the inside Terrorism, Why should we think about Country
and the Terrorism outside.

TADA, POTA are far better than 498A and D.V Act. Because they are only applied on one person, and not on his (blood) relatives. But 498A can also
be applied on someone unknown to whom you have just donated blood.

In Ramayana's time, If 498A was there... Sita (with her father & brother support) could have filed 498A several times against RAMA, LAKSHMAN(+wife),BHARAT(+wife), SHATRAGHN(+wife), DHASHARATH (3 wives), VishwaMithr muni
(May be on HANUMAN too for being Rama's sevak).

Only long-term solution to bring awareness in the society about this Terrorism is to encourage these Women Organizations themselves to include
all these sections A MUST READ chapters at evels of Indian Educational System.

Just my opinion.

Someone called Ash said Madhu Kishwar is "a women who is known to be a strong sharp feminist".

Madhu Kishwar is not a feminist. Please see the following link:

http://www.sawnet.org/books/authors.php?Kishwar+Madhu

Also, Chapter 18 of her book "Off the Beaten Track : Rethinking Gender Justice for Indian Women/Madhu Kishwar", is entitled "A horror of 'Isms': Why I do not call myself a feminist."

Sumanth, could you please delete unnecessary comments like #101?

A top burn hospital in Tamil nadu pumps up a particular intra venous drip to kill burn victims so that they get space for a new admission. So we have more statistics of burn deaths this way too, but its quite obvious that all this goes to the credit of the poor bride-burning husband, but of course!